Conservation of Momentum, Question Regarding Force

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of momentum, particularly in the context of collisions between two moving objects. Participants explore the forces involved during these interactions and the implications for calculating individual momenta before and after a collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the conservation of momentum can be derived from Newton's Third Law and questions the nature of the force involved during a collision.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that inertia implies no forces acting, indicating that forces are present in dynamic situations.
  • A scenario is presented where two objects collide, prompting questions about how to determine individual momenta without additional information about the collision specifics.
  • There is a mention of the duration of contact during collisions and its relevance to the forces experienced by the objects involved.
  • One participant asserts that total momentum is conserved but emphasizes the need for more information to analyze individual momenta accurately.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of the forces involved during collisions or how to determine individual momenta without additional information. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of forces in dynamic situations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific details about the type of collision (elastic or inelastic) and the assumptions made regarding forces acting during the motion of the objects.

RoyalFlush100
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So I read that the conservation of momentum is a result of:
F1=-F2 <Newton's Third Law
t1=t2 <Time in contact
Therefore:
F1*t1=-F2*t2

F=m(Δv/t)
Ft=mΔv

So we can conclude:
m1Δv1=-m2Δv2
Therefore momentum is conserved.

Now what force is this? Would it be the same normal force that exists when an object is sitting on a surface? I don't think that would make sense, because normal force simply counteracts other forces (such as gravity) when objects are in contact, yet an object moving in inertia wouldn't have any applied force, so it wouldn't be counteracting anything. So then, what is this force that opposes objects' motion as a collision occurs between masses?
 
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RoyalFlush100 said:
Now what force is this?
Any force between two objects.

RoyalFlush100 said:
because normal force simply counteracts other forces (such as gravity) when objects are in contact, yet an object moving in inertia wouldn't have any applied force, so it wouldn't be counteracting anything.
This is not true in general. You are probably thinking of a static situation.
 
Orodruin said:
Any force between two objects.This is not true in general. You are probably thinking of a static situation.
So say a scenario like this exists:
Object A is moving at 10 m/s towards Object B, while Object B is moving at 15 m/s towards Object A. Both objects have a mass of 1 kg.
How do we know what each object's individual momentum will be then? All the questions I was given in class had some info about at least one of the objects both before and after impact.

Would it depend on how long the contact occurred for? Like this, say contact lasted for 2 seconds:
(10-15)/2=-2.5 Newtons of force on object A, meaning:
-2.5=1*a
a=-2.5 m/s^2
That's applied for 2 seconds:
-2.5*2=-5, meaning object A will slow down to 5 m/s (10-5=5)
 
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RoyalFlush100 said:
Would it depend on how long the contact occurred for?
Yes, that is precisely one of the two reasons that seatbelts and airbags save lives.
 
RoyalFlush100 said:
How do we know what each object's individual momentum will be then?
You dont, not without more information. What you do know is that total momentum is conserved. You will have to look at the particular nature of the collision (eg, elastic, completely inelastic, etc) to draw more conclusions.
 

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