Conserving Quantity in System of Equations: Idea or Miss?

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The discussion centers around a system of equations related to the motion of a glider, specifically analyzing the conserved quantity C(θ,u) = u^3 - 3u cos(θ). Participants express uncertainty about whether this quantity is indeed conserved, as they struggle with its definition and implications. The calculations suggest that the derivative dC/dt equals zero, indicating it may be conserved, but participants are unsure due to the complexity of the equations. Additionally, there are requests for assistance with sketching solutions in the xy-plane using Maple software, highlighting a need for guidance in applying mathematical concepts practically. The conversation reflects a blend of theoretical inquiry and practical application challenges in mathematical modeling.
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I have a system of equations here:
\frac{d\theta}{dt} = u-(\frac{1}{u})cos(\theta)
\frac{du}{dt} = -sin(\theta)

It asks to show that C(\theta,u) = u^3-3ucos(\theta). That's fine, if it worked. From looking at it and taking the partial derivatives, it doesn't seem to be a conserved quantity. Any ideas, or am I missing something?
 
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Sorry to add it here as well, but I don't want to start a new thread. For this system above, I am supposed to sketch certain solutions in the xy plane (this system is for the motion of a glider, theta is the angle it starts at, u is its initial velocity). What's the code to do this, I can't find it anywhere?
 
We can't answer your first question because you haven't told us what "C(θ,u)
means! Without knowing that, we can't even say if it should be a conserved quantity.
 
HallsofIvy said:
We can't answer your first question because you haven't told us what "C(θ,u)
means! Without knowing that, we can't even say if it should be a conserved quantity.
I wasn't told what it means either :cry:

I assumed it was just a Hamiltonian of the system, so I tried taking the partials and it comes out close if you fudge a few numbers or variables here or there, but otherwise I get zilch.
 
Given
\frac{d\theta}{dt} = u-(\frac{1}{u})cos(\theta)
and
\frac{du}{dt} = -sin(\theta)
the quantity defined by
C(\theta,u) = u^3-3ucos(\theta)
has the property that
\frac{dC}{dt}=0, i.e., it is unchanged as "t" varies.

<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> 0<br /> &amp;\stackrel{?}{=}<br /> \frac{d}{dt}\left(u^3-3u \cos\theta \right)\\<br /> &amp;\stackrel{?}{=}<br /> 3u^2\dot u-3(\dot u \cos\theta - u\sin\theta\dot\theta)\\<br /> &amp;\stackrel{?}{=}<br /> 3u^2[-\sin\theta]-3([-\sin\theta]\cos\theta - u\sin\theta[u-\frac{1}{u}\cos\theta ])\\<br /> &amp;\stackrel{\surd}{=}0<br /> \end{align*}<br />

I was rushing when I did this... Please check.
 
robphy said:
Given
\frac{d\theta}{dt} = u-(\frac{1}{u})cos(\theta)
and
\frac{du}{dt} = -sin(\theta)
the quantity defined by
C(\theta,u) = u^3-3ucos(\theta)
has the property that
\frac{dC}{dt}=0, i.e., it is unchanged as "t" varies.

<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> 0<br /> &amp;\stackrel{?}{=}<br /> \frac{d}{dt}\left(u^3-3u \cos\theta \right)\\<br /> &amp;\stackrel{?}{=}<br /> 3u^2\dot u-3(\dot u \cos\theta - u\sin\theta\dot\theta)\\<br /> &amp;\stackrel{?}{=}<br /> 3u^2[-\sin\theta]-3([-\sin\theta]\cos\theta - u\sin\theta[u-\frac{1}{u}\cos\theta ])\\<br /> &amp;\stackrel{\surd}{=}0<br /> \end{align*}<br />

I was rushing when I did this... Please check.
Ah, thanks very much! Much appreciated - I didn't think of it that way :smile:

Have an ideas on the maple one? I know that really isn't as much math oriented it's just that I don't really know how to use Maple
 
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