Constant torque spring - damping question

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A constant torque spring is being used to rotate the drive wheel of a Geneva mechanism, requiring slow rotation during 270 degrees and high torque for a 90-degree rotation to engage the Geneva wheel. The user is exploring the use of a rotary damper to achieve a rotational speed of approximately 1 rpm while maintaining full torque when needed. Suggestions include using a flywheel to manage angular momentum or a heavy drive wheel that slows down during the work phase. The user seeks a rotary damper that can handle around 1 N*m torque and reduce speed effectively, with size constraints of 1 inch in diameter. The discussion emphasizes the need for a solution that balances torque and rotational speed without wasting energy.
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Hi all,

I have a constant torque spring that rotates the drive wheel of a Geneva mechanism. I am facing the following problem. I would like a very slow rotation of the drive wheel whenever the drive wheel is not driving the Geneva wheel of the Geneva mechanism (which is 270 degrees of a rotation). However, when the pin of the drive wheel rotates the Geneva wheel by 90 degrees, I need a lot of torque because there is a load connected to the Geneva wheel. Therefore, I need to use a high torque constant torque spring (7.50 in-lbs.).

I think that a rotational damper can help me slow down the rotation of the drive wheel (it is a timing mechanism, and the rotational velocity should be ~1 rpm), but when getting to the point of rotating the Geneva wheel, I would need the damping to be gone (because there, I need full torque).

Does anyone have a suggestion for a rotary damper that is capable of doing this? Or are there other ideas/designs that can solve the same problem in your opinion?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Hallo Daan, :welcome: !

How about a kind of flywheel to even out the irregularity of the angular momentum required ?
 
Do you need a change in rotation speed; if not, a liquid rotary damper will not prevent the mechanism from delivering its full torque, it will only limit the rate at which the torque can be delivered.
 
It's not logical to dampen the drive wheel for 3/4 of the time: waste of energy.
Still in favour of the flywheel idea :rolleyes: - but even that has air resistance; perhaps it's better to use a heavy drive wheel that slows down during 1/4 turn of work and revs up 3/4 turn ?
 
If you are using a constant force spring for the full rotation then there is no waste of energy if you slow the rotation for the 3/4 portion.
 
Thanks for the replys. An additional constraint is that the component can't be any bigger than 1 inch diameter.. I think I can solve the problem by using a rotary damper, only problem now is to find one that can resist a ~1 N*m torque and bring the rotational speed down to ~1-2 rpm. Let me know if you have a design/manufacturer for such a component. Many thanks!
 
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