Constructing Bending Moment Diagram for Member 1-5 Using Stiffness Matrix Method

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The discussion revolves around constructing a bending moment diagram for member 1-5 using the stiffness matrix method. Participants are addressing calculations related to bending moments and shear forces within a structural framework, focusing on member equilibrium and the application of the stiffness matrix method.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents calculations for bending moments and vertical forces related to members 1-4 and 4-5, noting specific values and attempting to derive the moment at point 5.
  • Another participant questions the completeness of the calculations, suggesting that there may be an additional shear force at point 4 that needs to be considered.
  • A participant acknowledges the presence of shear forces and explains their approach to account for them using vertical components of external forces.
  • There is a discussion about whether the internal shear should be included in the bending moment diagram and how to calculate it.
  • Some participants agree on the method to calculate moments, referencing the bending moment at point 4 and the shear force at point 4.
  • One participant attempts to clarify their method for calculating the moment at point 5, expressing confusion over suggestions made by others.
  • Another participant provides a formula for calculating the moment at point 5, incorporating shear forces and moments from previous points, but notes that their result is still slightly off from the expected value.
  • A later reply suggests that the discrepancy may be due to a rounding error.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to consider shear forces in the calculations, but there is no consensus on the exact method or values to use, as some calculations remain contested and results vary.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the calculation of shear forces and their impact on bending moments, as well as potential rounding errors affecting the final results.

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This problem has a lot of calculations from the beginning so i have skipped to the part i am stuck with and tried to include relevant information, apologies if i have missed anything. Assume all working is correct as i was given the answers.

After carrying out the stiffness matrix method I am trying to construct a bending moment diagram using member equilibrium, see attached.

The specific problem is member 1-5

working

member 1-4

bending moment at 1 (given) 123.33Kn
vertical force 57.44Kn
length 2.5

therefore

123.33 - 57.44Kn*2.5 = -20.27 (correct)

Member 4 -5
-20.67 + 160KN(moment from pre-eliminated beam) = 139.63Kn (correct)

however i can not get the moment of -123.98 at point 5

attempt member 4-5
vertical force relative to beam = 80 (sin(36.87)
moment = 139.63Kn
139.63Kn - 80 sin(36.87)*2.5 = 19.629 (incorrect)
 

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It's difficult to follow what you doing here but is there not a shear force at point 4 in addition to the 80?
 
paisiello2 said:
It's difficult to follow what you doing here but is there not a shear force at point 4 in addition to the 80?

Yes I appreciate it is fairly difficult to follow. Essentially I have got the bending moments on one side using stiffness matrix method and the used these values and member equilibrium for the rest of the beam. There is a shear force yes, I have tried to account for that, that's why I have used 80sin(36.87) as this would give me the vertical component of the force (vertical relative to the member)
 
The shear force is the internal shear in addition to the 80 external force.
 
paisiello2 said:
The shear force is the internal shear in addition to the 80 external force.

Would that have to be included in the bending moment diagram? If so, how is the force calculated? And would it be used in the same way as a vertical force e.g F x distance
 
1) Yes.

2) Same way you got the bending moment at point 4.

3) Yes.
 
paisiello2 said:
1) Yes.

2) Same way you got the bending moment at point 4.

3) Yes.

I got the moment by using (UDL x L) x L/2 ?
 
But you added another term to it as well.
 
paisiello2 said:
But you added another term to it as well.

Yes I added the moment from point one. For point 5 this is the method I have tried. I don't follow what you are suggesting?
 
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OK, we are trying to get the moment at point 5, correct? So you need to take the moment at point 4 plus the shear at point 4 multiplied by L = 2.92m.

The shear at point 4 is 80kN*sin(37.9°) plus the shear from member 4-1.
 
  • #11
paisiello2 said:
OK, we are trying to get the moment at point 5, correct? So you need to take the moment at point 4 plus the shear at point 4 multiplied by L = 2.92m.

The shear at point 4 is 80kN*sin(37.9°) plus the shear from member 4-1.

Attempt

139.63-((80sin(37.9))+57.44)*25 = -126.83

This is pretty close to -123.98 but still off,

Have i made an error?
 
  • #12
You probably made a rounding error.
 

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