Continuety of these functions

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The discussion revolves around the continuity of various mathematical functions, particularly focusing on the floor function, piecewise functions, and the sine function. Participants are analyzing the behavior of these functions near integer values and rational versus irrational inputs.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the definitions of the floor and ceiling functions, exploring the continuity of the floor function between integers, and discussing the implications of rational and irrational inputs on piecewise functions. There are inquiries about limits and graphical interpretations of the functions involved.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the continuity of the functions. Some participants have provided insights into the limits and continuity conditions, while others are still grappling with understanding the implications of rational and irrational numbers on the functions.

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There are references to specific mathematical properties and behaviors of functions that may not be fully defined in the original posts. Participants are also navigating the complexities of limits involving mixed rational and irrational sequences.

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describe the continuety of these functions
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regarding the [] functions i learned this fact

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Since you used "[x]" I was not sure if you meant "floor of x", [itex]\floor(c)[/itex] or "ceiling of x", [tex]\ceil(x)[/itex]. From the I'm second link it appears that you mean the "floor" function.<br /> Yes, [itex]\floor(x)[/itex] is constant between intgers: n-1 from n-1 up to n and n from n to n+1 so it is really only necessary to look at what happens as you approach the integer n from below and above.<br /> <br /> The last one appears to be "piecewise", defined by different formulas for x rational and irrational but there appears to be something written before "[itex]\pi x[/itex] for x rational. Is that "sin"?[/tex]
 
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yes its sin

does it change your answer?
 
how to do a limit of this x*1/[x]

i get 0*+infinity
??
 
how to solve the splitted
i can't imagine the graph
i can't do a limit
because rational and irrational are infinitely mixed
what to do?
 
For x any number other than an integer, if x is between n and n+ 1, [x]= n so
x/[x]= x/n and x[x]= xn. It should be obvious that the function is continuous there. For x slightly below n, say x= n-y, x/[x]= n-y/(n-1) and x[x]= (n-y)n-1= xn/xy. For x slightly larger than n, say x= n+ y, x/[x]= (n+y)/n and x[x]= (n+y)n. Are the limits of those, as y goes to 0, the same?

As for [itex]sin(\pi x)[/itex] for x rational, 0 for x irrational, use the fact that [itex]\lim_{x\rightarrow a} f(x)= L[/itex] if and only if [itex]\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} f(a_n)= L[/itex] for any sequence [itex]{a_n}[/itex] converging to x. In particular, for any number x, there exist a sequence of irrational numbers converging to x so for such a sequence the limit of this sequence will be 0. That means that in order that the limit itself exist at x, we must also have [itex]sin(a_n\pi)[/itex] converge to 0 also. Since sine is a continuous function, it is easy to see that that limit is [itex]sin(\pi x)[/itex]. That is, this function is continuous exactly for those x such that [itex]sin(\pi x)= 0[/itex].
 

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