Power series, why did this stay constant?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a power series and the implications of taking its derivative. Participants are examining why certain terms remain constant while others change during differentiation, particularly focusing on the expression involving \(2n+1\) and \(2^{n+1}\).

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the variable \(n\) and the terms of the series, questioning why some components do not change when \(n\) is adjusted. There is a focus on understanding the implications of differentiating with respect to \(x\) rather than \(n\).

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing clarifications regarding the differentiation process and the role of constants in the series. There is an acknowledgment of confusion from the original poster, and attempts to address the misunderstanding are being made.

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Participants are considering the range of summation and the effects of differentiating terms in a power series, noting that the first term can be zero and thus may be omitted in certain contexts.

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so we took the derivative of the series, which i understand. but why is it that when the new n position was changed, why didn't the 2n+1 change as well? and i know that the n position changed b/c if it rained 0, we would have had x to the -1 as one of our terms. but I'm confused why 2n+1 is constant.
 
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rocophysics said:
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so we took the derivative of the series, which i understand. but why is it that when the new n position was changed, why didn't the 2n+1 change as well?

Do you mean the range of summation? It doesn't matter if you start the sum from 0 or 1, because for n=0 the first term of the series on the right hand side is 0. Note that the derivative for the first term n=0 on the left hand side is d/dx(x^0) = 0.
 
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The first term is actually 1/2, but the point remains that this is a constant which has zero for a derivative.
 
I think he meant that he was confused why the other n terms changed whilst the denominator did not.

Think carefully about what you actually took respect to, and what variables are held constant.
 
Gib Z said:
I think he meant that he was confused why the other n terms changed whilst the denominator did not.

Think carefully about what you actually took respect to, and what variables are held constant.

I don't think he's asking that, since the answer would simply be "you're differentiating wrt x, not n." I suspect his question has been answered by the above posts.

If not, then rocophysics, could you clarify what your questions actually is?
 
Sorry for the confusion. I'm confused about this part:

[tex]2^{n+1}[/tex]

How come it did not become 2^(n+2) or something like that after n went from 0 to 1. Is it because we took the derivative wrt to x, and not n? If so, then my question was answered, I was just so confused.

Thanks!
 
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rocophysics said:
Sorry for the confusion. I'm confused about this part:

[tex]2^{n+1}[/tex]

How come it did not become 2^(n+2) or something like that after n went from 0 to 1. Is it because we took the derivative wrt to x, and not n? If so, then my question was answered, I was just so confused.

Thanks!

Ok, initially there's no reason to set the sum from 1 to infinity in the derivative, so we have [tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left(\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{1}{2^{n+1}}x^n\right)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{n}{2^{n+1}}x^{n-1}[/tex]

But, if you plug n=0 into the right hand side, you obtain 0 for all x, hence we can write the sum without the first term.

(This is pretty much what d_leet said above).
 

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