Continuity and strictly increasing functions

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The discussion revolves around a proof concerning a continuous function \( f: [0,1] \to \mathbb{R} \) that does not take on any of its values twice and satisfies \( f(0) < f(1) \). The original poster attempts to show that \( f \) is strictly increasing on the interval [0,1].

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of assuming that \( f \) is not strictly increasing, leading to the selection of points \( a, b, c \) within the interval. Questions arise regarding the validity of this selection and the relationships between these points.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly select points to demonstrate the properties of the function. Some participants express skepticism about the assumptions made regarding the existence of points that satisfy certain inequalities, while others suggest refining the approach to focus on two points instead of three.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that non-monotonic functions could complicate the selection of points and challenge the assumptions made in the proof. The discussion highlights the need for careful definitions and considerations of the function's behavior within the specified interval.

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Homework Statement



Let f:[0,1] →ℝ be a continuous function that does not take on any of its values twice and with f(0) < f(1), show that f is strictly increasing on [0,1].

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The Attempt at a Solution



Assume that f is not strictly increasing on [0,1]. Therefore there exists a,b,c between 0 and 1. where 0 < a < b < c < 1. such that f(0) < f(a) < f(b) and f(c) < f(b) < f(1). By the intermediate value theorem there exist a x between (a,b) and a y between (b,c) for there exists a k where f(a) < k < f(b) and f(c) < k < f(b) and f(x) = k and f(y) = k. Contradiction Therefore f is strictly increasing on [0,1].

Does this proof work or am I missing something again?
 
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kingstrick said:
Therefore there exists a,b,c between 0 and 1. where 0 < a < b < c < 1. such that f(0) < f(a) < f(b) and f(c) < f(b) < f(1).

I don't think this is necessarily true. How do you conclude the existence of those a,b and c??

The idea of your proof is good though.
 
If [0,1] is an interval then there exists a value between 0 and 1 that I will call a, and therefore there exists a value between a and 1 since it is a interval which I call b and then there is a value between b and 1 called c as [b,1] is also an interval.
 
micromass' question seemed to be asking how you can select a, b and c to give the relationships you state for f(a), f(b) and f(c). Certainly there are non-monotonic functions that do not allow such a selection: ##x^2-0.5x##, for example.
 
Am I not allowed to assume and/or define their relationship? I mean for it to be non-mono there must be a point in the middle (not literally) of the interval where f(x) is either the min/max or at least curve up and then back down (or down then back up). So why can't I pick that number to be the value of f(b)?
 
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Well, you have to define how you pick the points properly for a proof. And my example function ##x^2-0.5x## does not allow you to pick points in the way you defined them. Neither does ##1.5x-x^2##. So you have to deal with those possibilities.

I think you are on the right track, but you're not quite nailling down the proof yet.
 
kingstrick said:
Am I not allowed to assume and/or define their relationship?

You are allowed to define their relationship so long as their relationship holds for all non-monotonic functions in this case. Consider the example that Joffan posted. Making the selection you mentioned is not possible.
 
kingstrick said:
Am I not allowed to assume and/or define their relationship? I mean for it to be non-mono there must be a point in the middle (not literally) of the interval where f(x) is either the min/max or at least curve up and then back down (or down then back up). So why can't I pick that number to be the value of f(b)?

Essentially b is a local maximum in your proof. If a function goes down and then up, it has no local maximum, but the function isn't strictly increasing, So you can't assume there is a local maximum.

Instead of trying to pick three points, just pick two points that break the definition of increasing
 
Actually, scrub that. By all means look at those functions but only to see that there are alternative shapes you might need to think about in [0,1].

The basic problem as that you are picking three points, and you really only need to pick two, based on some interval where the function is not increasing.

[[ edit: :smile: as Office Shredder said ]]
 

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