Continuity of multivariable functions question

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The problem involves determining the continuity of a multivariable function defined as f(x,y) = (yx^3 - 3y^3)/(x^2 + y^2) for (x,y) ≠ (0,0) and f(0,0) = 0. Participants are exploring the behavior of this function as it approaches the origin in R².

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss converting the function into polar coordinates and evaluating limits as r approaches 0. There are questions about the validity of checking limits along specific paths, such as the axes and the line y=x. Some express confusion over the implications of their findings and the behavior of the function near the origin.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the adequacy of their approaches. Some have suggested using polar coordinates and considering the behavior of the function as r approaches 0, while others are exploring the implications of their calculations and the need for a more comprehensive analysis of the limits.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential issues with the limits being different along various paths approaching (0,0), which raises questions about the continuity of the function. Participants also note technical difficulties with formatting their mathematical expressions in the forum.

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Homework Statement


Is the function f(x,y) defined by
f(x,y) = (yx^3 - 3y^3)/(x^2 + y^2), (x,y)!=(0,0)
=0, (x,y)=(0,0)
continuous everywhere in R^2? Give reasons for your answer.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I changed f(x,y) into polar coordinates and found the limit as r->0, which is 0. I also found that f(x,0) = 0, f(0,y) = -3y^2 -> 0 as y->0, and f(x,x)= -infinity. However I'm not sure if I've done the question right or if this is enough working.
 
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Hi QuanticEnigma! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a ≠ and a ∞ and a θ and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
QuanticEnigma said:
Is the function f(x,y) defined by
f(x,y) = (yx^3 - 3y^3)/(x^2 + y^2), (x,y)!=(0,0)
=0, (x,y)=(0,0)
continuous everywhere in R^2? Give reasons for your answer.

I changed f(x,y) into polar coordinates and found the limit as r->0, which is 0. I also found that f(x,0) = 0, f(0,y) = -3y^2 -> 0 as y->0, and f(x,x)= -infinity.

Using polar coordinates is good, but it's not enough to check the limit only along the two axes.

Hint: use the fact that cosθ and sinθ are always ≤ 1. :wink:
 
Ok, I've decided to cheat and use Mathematica to plot the function, and I can see that the function is continuous everywhere :-p
I think there must be some problem in my working, as the limits as f tends to (0,0) along the x and y axes is not the same as the limit along the line y=x...I'm confused
 
QuanticEnigma said:
I think there must be some problem in my working, as the limits as f tends to (0,0) along the x and y axes is not the same as the limit along the line y=x...I'm confused

uhh? :confused: isn't f(x,x) = (x2 - 3x)/2 ?

anyway, try what I said about θ. :wink:
 
Yeah it is, my bad (hope I don't make that mistake in the exam :-p)

I don't really know what you mean by theta, I've already worked out the limit of f (in polar coordinates) as r tends to 0 to be zero, and I thought this implied that any line approaching (0,0) would have limit zero...I'm not sure though :confused:

Oh and by the way, every time I input latex code it always outputs f(x,y), even when I've copied and pasted it from other threads, any idea on how to fix this?
 
QuanticEnigma said:
I don't really know what you mean by theta, I've already worked out the limit of f (in polar coordinates) as r tends to 0 to be zero, and I thought this implied that any line approaching (0,0) would have limit zero...I'm not sure though :confused:

I'm dubious about what you mean by "as r tends to zero".

I haven't seen your exact proof, but I assume you have an f(r,θ), and you can't prove continuity by only letting r -> 0 any more than you could by only letting x -> 0 and y -> 0 (separately).
Oh and by the way, every time I input latex code it always outputs f(x,y), even when I've copied and pasted it from other threads, any idea on how to fix this?

It's a problem which has affected Preview ever since the last server update … you can fix it by clicking "Refresh" or "Reload" on your browser menu (do a tag search for "preview" for details).

Or just use the X2 tag. :wink:
 
Ok, I have
[tex] f(x,y)=\frac{r^3\cos^3(\theta)r\sin(\theta)-3r^3\sin^3(\theta)}{r^2\cos^2(\theta)+r^2\sin^2(\theta)} = \frac{r^3(r\cos^3(\theta)\sin(\theta)-3\sin^3(\theta)}{r^2}=r(r\cos^3(\theta)\sin(\theta)-3\sin^3(\theta))[/tex]

Since I have an r out the front of everything, i didn't worry about theta, because when r=0, f(r,[itex]\theta[/itex]) would equal zero.
 
QuanticEnigma said:
Since I have an r out the front of everything, i didn't worry about theta, because when r=0, f(r,[itex]\theta[/itex]) would equal zero.

(what happened to that θ i gave you? :confused:)

But that doesn't work if the inside of the bracket can be "infinitely" large, so you still have to prove that it can't be. :wink:
 
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Sorry, it's supposed to be [tex]f(r,\theta)[/tex] not [tex]f(x,y)[/tex]
 
  • #11
Would sin[tex]\theta[/tex] and cos[tex]\theta[/tex] being [tex]\leq[/tex] 1 mean that the expression inside the bracket is between -1 and 1?
 
  • #12
Yup! :biggrin:

(well, between ±(r±3) :wink:)
 
  • #13
Sweet, thanks for the help :smile:
 

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