Contradictory Scalene Obtuse Tn Heights

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The discussion revolves around the geometric properties of a triangle formed by three points plotted on Google Earth, specifically focusing on the calculations of perimeter, area, and heights related to the triangle. Participants explore the implications of using a spherical representation of the Earth versus a flat plane for these calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents measurements and calculations for a triangle formed by three points, questioning the accuracy of these calculations due to the Earth's curvature.
  • Another participant argues that if the triangle were on a flat plane, the perimeter and area calculations would yield different results, suggesting a discrepancy in the original measurements.
  • A third participant expresses confusion regarding the classification of the triangle as a right triangle based on the provided descriptions and measurements.
  • Further clarification is sought about the relationship between the original description of the points and the geometric properties derived from them.

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Participants express differing views on whether the triangle can be accurately represented as a right triangle and whether the calculations provided are correct. There is no consensus on the validity of the original measurements or the implications of the Earth's curvature.

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Participants note potential limitations in the original description of the points and the assumptions made regarding the geometry of the triangle. The discussion highlights the complexity of applying flat geometry to a spherical surface.

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I plotted 3 points on Google Earth.
West (point A) to slightly North point (point B)= 1284 Km A-B
From Point B to further East Point (point C) = 1717 Km
Then a straight direct line from point C back to point A

The Perimeter = 6001 Km
Area = 57 491 Km

Angle A = 1.711 degrees
Angle B = 177.01 degrees
Angle C = 1.279 degrees
(sorry can't find any degree sign symbol on the right)

Problem:
When I drop a perpendicular line down from Angle B to the longest line (3000) the height is 18 Km
When I calculate by using the formula h = 57491/1500 = 38.33 Km

Is the discrepancy caused by the curvature of the Earth on Google maps? Can one even form an accurate triangular representation in this manner?
 
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If you were working on a flat plane then you would have a right triangle with legs of length 1284 and 1717 km. The third side, the hypotenuse would have length $\sqrt{(1284)^2+ (1717)^2}= 2144$ km so the perimeter would be $1284+ 1717+ 2144= 5145$ km, not the "6000" km you have.

Since this is already a right triangle, I don't know why you construct another altitude. The area is just (1/2)(1284)(1717)= 1102314 square kilometers.

(And the area is in square kilometers, not kilometers.)
 
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Hallo countryboy
As you can see from the actual measurements in google Earth I am a little confused as to how this is a right triangle? I see the math you have done but that leaves me a bit bewildered when viewing the actual physical situation.
 

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You said, in your original post,
"I plotted 3 points on Google Earth.
West (point A) to slightly North point (point B)= 1284 Km A-B
From Point B to further East Point (point C) = 1717 Km
Then a straight direct line from point C back to point A"

If point B is "slightly north" of point A and point C is "further east" of point C, then angle ABC is a right angle. I don't see how the "map" you show has anything to do with your original description.
 
Country Boy said:
If point B is "slightly north" of point A and point C is "further east" of point C, then angle ABC is a right angle. I don't see how the "map" you show has anything to do with your original description.

Well I suppose it would appear that I should have said, A is west, B is the upper middle point and C is East. Then C back to A is a straight line. I am sorry if the original description was mis-leading you, regardless though, the question still remains now does this make your calculations wrong, or are they correct because you have allowed for something that I missed?
Thankyou countryboy
 

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