Convergence in Uniform and L2 sense, function interpretation

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a sequence of functions defined piecewise, specifically examining convergence in the L2 sense versus pointwise convergence. The functions are defined as being equal to 1 on specific intervals depending on whether the index is odd or even, and 0 elsewhere.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the definition of convergence and how to determine the limiting function f(x) for the sequence of functions gn(x). There is discussion about the intervals of convergence and whether the functions converge to a constant function.

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Participants are actively questioning the assumptions regarding the intervals and the nature of the convergence. Some have suggested visualizing the functions to better understand their behavior as n increases, while others are exploring the implications of the definitions of convergence in this context.

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There is uncertainty regarding the interval over which the functions are defined, with some participants assuming it to be [0,1] and others considering the possibility of (-∞, ∞). The original poster has noted confusion regarding the presence of summation in the problem, which has been clarified by other participants.

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Let:


gn(x) = 1 in [1/4 - 1/n2 to 1/4 + 1/ n2) for n = odd
1 in [3/4-1/n2 to 3/4 + 1/n2) for n = even
0 elsewhere

Show the function converges in the L2 sense but not pointwise.

My issue is in how I should use the definition of convergence because in all of the definitions of convergence between uniform, L2 and pointwise they all follow the similar rule of:

|f(x) - Ʃfn(x)| --> 0

I am having issues in determining my f(x) for the difference because fn(x) will be 1 depending on "n" being odd or even, so what would my exact value of f(x) be even though I am comparing the whole function?
 
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trap101 said:
Let:


gn(x) = 1 in [1/4 - 1/n2 to 1/4 + 1/ n2) for n = odd
1 in [3/4-1/n2 to 3/4 + 1/n2) for n = even
0 elsewhere

Show the function converges in the L2 sense but not pointwise.

You haven't told us on what interval. I'm guessing ##[0,1]##?

My issue is in how I should use the definition of convergence because in all of the definitions of convergence between uniform, L2 and pointwise they all follow the similar rule of:

|f(x) - Ʃfn(x)| --> 0

I am having issues in determining my f(x) for the difference because fn(x) will be 1 depending on "n" being odd or even, so what would my exact value of f(x) be even though I am comparing the whole function?

This problem has nothing to do with sums. Have you drawn a picture of the functions for n even and n odd? Does that give you an idea of what function ##g(x)## that ##g_n(x)## might converge to in ##L^2##? Can you calculate ##\|g_n-g\|_2## to get started?
 
LCKurtz said:
You haven't told us on what interval. I'm guessing ##[0,1]##?



This problem has nothing to do with sums. Have you drawn a picture of the functions for n even and n odd? Does that give you an idea of what function ##g(x)## that ##g_n(x)## might converge to in ##L^2##? Can you calculate ##\|g_n-g\|_2## to get started?

Well first off I am going to assume that my "n" could only be positive integers. In the odd case the smallest value I could have for my "n" is 1 and in the even case it is 2, so my odd value interval startz at -3/4 and the even one starts at 1/2 since n goes to infiniti, these intervals end at 1/4 and 3/4 respectively. Now I just drew it, and on those intervals the function is a constant. So is it wise to interpret this as the function is 1 on these intervals, and the series is attempting to converge to this? In which case I could say f(x) = 1 and since the piece wise portions also equal 1 in terms of the series, using the definition I could show the integrals all equal 0...thus convergence.

they did not give an interval so I am assuming -∞ to ∞
 
Let me say it again: There is no summation and there is no series in this problem. You just have a sequence of functions and you are talking about whether ##g_n\to g## for some ##g(x)##, either pointwise or in ##L^2##. It doesn't matter whether the interval is ##[0,1]## or ##(-\infty,\infty)## because your functions are 0 except on short intervals.

Look at, for example, just even values of n. As those even values get larger, does ##g_n(x)## look like it converges pointwise to anything? Draw ##g_2,g_4,g_6## on the same graph and see what you think.

[Edit] I just noticed your title talks about uniform convergence but your post talks about pointwise vs. ##L^2##. They aren't the same thing, you know...

[Edit+] What about the sequences ##\{g_n(\frac 1 4)\}## and ##\{g_n(\frac 3 4)\}##?
 
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