Convergence Test (Comparison) Questions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around convergence tests for infinite series, specifically focusing on comparison tests. Participants present several series and seek guidance on how to determine their convergence or divergence.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents three series: Ʃ [ln(n)/n^2], Ʃ [(3n+2)/(n^3+1)], and Ʃ [(2n+1)/n^2], expressing uncertainty about their convergence.
  • Another participant suggests that for the first series, a comparison test is needed with a function between 1/n (which diverges) and 1/n^2 (which converges).
  • For the second series, a participant notes that the convergence of a finite number of initial terms does not affect the overall convergence, suggesting comparisons for n greater than a certain value.
  • Discussion about splitting the third series into two parts for easier evaluation, with one part being already known to converge.
  • Several participants discuss the harmonic series, noting that it diverges, and explore the implications for the overall convergence of the series in question.
  • There is a suggestion to consider a term like 1/n^1.5 as a potential comparison for the series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the convergence of the series, with no consensus reached on the specific comparisons to be used or the overall convergence of the series presented. Multiple competing views remain regarding the appropriate tests and comparisons.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations such as the relevance of initial terms in convergence tests and the need for careful selection of comparison functions. There is also uncertainty about how to handle terms that lead to division by zero.

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Hello everyone,

I need some help on doing convergence tests (comparisons I believe) on some Ʃ sums.

I have three, they are:

1. Ʃ [ln(n)/n^2] from n=1 to ∞.

I tried the integral test but was solved to be invalid (that is, cannot divide by infinity). Therefore I believe it to be a comparison test but don't know what to compare it to.

2. Ʃ [(3n+2)/(n^3+1)] from n=0 to ∞

I solved the whole problem starting at n=1 and stating that Ʃ1/n^2 and Ʃ1/n^3 were larger and convergent, therefore the sum is convergent. I realized the n=0 part later and now cannot solve it cause you cannot divide by 0; that is, 1/0^2 or 1/0^3. I tried an index shift yet it still is invalid.

3. Ʃ [(2n+1)/n^2] from n=1 to ∞

I don't know what to compare this to. I need a value smaller than 1/n^2 which diverges (as sum diverges) but 1/n^3 converges. I don't know what to do.

Help would be much appreciated.

Thank you
 
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omer10000 said:
1. Ʃ [ln(n)/n^2] from n=1 to ∞.

I tried the integral test but was solved to be invalid (that is, cannot divide by infinity). Therefore I believe it to be a comparison test but don't know what to compare it to.
Why would you want to "divide by infinity"?
A comparison can be useful - you'll need something "between" 1/n (-> sum is not convergent) and 1/n^2 (->sum is convergent, but it is not larger than your expression)

2. Ʃ [(3n+2)/(n^3+1)] from n=0 to ∞

I solved the whole problem starting at n=1 and stating that Ʃ1/n^2 and Ʃ1/n^3 were larger and convergent, therefore the sum is convergent. I realized the n=0 part later and now cannot solve it cause you cannot divide by 0; that is, 1/0^2 or 1/0^3. I tried an index shift yet it still is invalid.
For convergence, finite numbers of initial summands are irrelevant. It is sufficient if your comparison works for n>2, n>1 billion or any other number.

3. Ʃ [(2n+1)/n^2] from n=1 to ∞

I don't know what to compare this to. I need a value smaller than 1/n^2 which diverges (as sum diverges) but 1/n^3 converges. I don't know what to do.

Help would be much appreciated.
The sum over 1/n^2 converges. You can split this into two series, both of them are easier to evaluate afterwards.
 
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mfb said:
A comparison can be useful - you'll need something "between" 1/n (-> sum is not convergent) and 1/n^2 (->sum is convergent, but it is not larger than your expression)

How should I go about determining which 'in between' fraction is convergent? Do I use trial and error, and then solve it geometrically?

mfb said:
For convergence, a finite number of initial summands are irrelevant. It is sufficient if your comparison works for n>2, n>1 billion or any other number.

Okay thanks for that so when I solve, I can just say that all values are positive for n≥1 and leave it to that. Then I solve without considering n=0.

mfb said:
The sum over 1/n^2 converges. You can split this into two series, both of them are easier to evaluate afterwards.

I tried something like that but kind of got stuck.

a_n = (2n+1)/n^2 = 2n/n^2 + 1/n^2...1/n^2 is already convergent so don't need to worry about it.

2n/n^2=2/n...n > x? n is larger than what convergent value so that when I invert it, 1/n is smaller than 1/x --the convergent value.

Then do I say that 2/n < 1/x = convergent + 1/n^2 convergent = Ʃ sum is convergent by Comparison Test.
 
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The harmonic series ##\sum \frac{1}{n}## is not convergent.
 
omer10000 said:
How should I go about determining which 'in between' fraction is convergent? Do I use trial and error, and then solve it geometrically?
What could be interesting between 1/n^1 and 1/n^2?
Okay thanks for that so when I solve, I can just say that all values are positive for n≥1 and leave it to that. Then I solve without considering n=0.
Sure.
 
micromass said:
The harmonic series ##\sum \frac{1}{n}## is not convergent.

Alright so I say that since 1/n in DIvergent and 1/n^2 is CONvergent, the sigma sigma overall is DIvergent?

mfb said:
What could be interesting between 1/n^1 and 1/n^2?
Sure.

Not sure, 1/n^1.5?
 
omer10000 said:
Alright so I say that since 1/n in DIvergent and 1/n^2 is CONvergent, the sigma sigma overall is DIvergent?
Right.
Not sure, 1/n^1.5?
That is a good idea.
 

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