MHB Converting from Cartesian to polar form

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The discussion focuses on converting the complex number \( \frac{1-i}{3} \) into polar form. The initial attempt yielded \( \frac{\sqrt{2}}{3} e^{\frac{i\pi}{4}} \), but the correct solution is \( e^{-\frac{i\pi}{4}} \). The error arose from not recognizing that \( 1-i \) lies in the fourth quadrant, where the angle should be negative. Participants emphasized the importance of considering the quadrant when determining the angle in polar coordinates. Understanding the correct quadrant is crucial for accurate conversion to polar form.
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another question:

convert $|\frac{1-i}{3}|$ to polar form

i am getting $\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3} e^{\frac{i\pi}{4}}$

but the solutions say:
$e^{\frac{-i\pi}{4}}$

i did
$ x = r\cos(\theta)$ and $y=r\sin(\theta)$
so

$\frac{1}{3} = {\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3}}\cos(\theta)$
$\frac{1}{3} = \cos(\theta)$
And thus $\theta = \frac{\pi}{4}$
similarly, the same was determined for $\sin(\theta)$

What did I do wrong, why didn't i obtain a negative?
Also, is there a shorter method to find the ans? I would love if someone could give me a fully worked solution with the most efficient way to get the answer.

THanks.
 
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nacho said:
another question:

convert $|\frac{1-i}{3}|$ to polar form

The absolute value in complex analysis represents the modulus so the result will be a positive real number.
 
nacho said:
another question:

convert $|\frac{1-i}{3}|$ to polar form

i am getting $\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3} e^{\frac{i\pi}{4}}$

but the solutions say:
$e^{\frac{-i\pi}{4}}$

i did
$ x = r\cos(\theta)$ and $y=r\sin(\theta)$
so

$\frac{1}{3} = {\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3}}\cos(\theta)$
$\frac{1}{3} = \cos(\theta)$ This is wrong: $\color{red}{\cos\theta}$ should be $\color{red}{1/\sqrt2}$.
And thus $\theta = \color{red}{\pm}\frac{\pi}{4}$
similarly, the same was determined for $\sin(\theta)$

What did I do wrong, why didn't i obtain a negative?
Also, is there a shorter method to find the ans? I would love if someone could give me a fully worked solution with the most efficient way to get the answer.

THanks.
[I assume the mod signs should not be there, otherwise as ZaidAlyafey says the result should be a positive real number and $\theta$ will be zero.]

When converting to polar form, you should always check which quadrant the number lies in. In this case, $1-i$ is in the fourth quadrant, so $\cos\theta$ will be positive but $\sin\theta$ will be negative. This means that you should choose the negative value for $\theta$.
 
Sorry, both typos

The absolute value shouldn't have been there, and I had the correct workings but transcribed them onto here incorrectly!

Thanks for the note about the $1+i$ lying in the 4th quadrant,
I never looked at it the correct way from the beginning! This has been my flaw up until now.

Thank you !
 
nacho said:
Thanks for the note about the $1+i$ lying in the 4th quadrant,
just to make sure you mean that $$1-i$$ lying in the 4th quadrant cause $$1+i$$ lying in the first quadrant:P

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 
Petrus said:
just to make sure you mean that $$1-i$$ lying in the 4th quadrant cause $$1+i$$ lying in the first quadrant:P

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$

thanks for the concern
I seem to be making typos all over the place! :P that's what I meant.

I didn't understand at first you could look at the points these way.

for instance, $1-i$ is referring to a coordinate, correct?

Yet whenever I think of coordinates, I think only in terms of $(1,-i)$ notation
 
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