Converting mass entirely into energy

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The discussion revolves around the concept of converting mass entirely into energy, particularly in the context of Einstein's equation E=mc². Participants explore the implications of this conversion, the nature of "pure energy," and the processes involved, such as matter-antimatter annihilation.

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  • One participant questions whether "mass converted entirely into energy" implies the creation of new particles or if mass disappears into a concept of "pure energy."
  • Another participant suggests that the term often refers to matter-antimatter annihilation, where particles convert into photons, but notes that this is a simplification often found in popular science.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether complete conversion involves protons and neutrons transforming into photons, neutrinos, electrons, and positrons.
  • One response asserts that electrons have rest mass and implies that the conversion refers to transforming contained energy into radiation energy, referencing Einstein's formulation on energy and mass.
  • A participant states that "pure energy" does not exist as a standalone entity, emphasizing that energy is always associated with physical entities, such as in the case of electron-positron annihilation.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of mass-energy conversion and the existence of "pure energy." There is no consensus on the nature of the conversion or the definition of energy in this context.

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Some claims depend on specific interpretations of mass and energy, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of energy transformations in particle physics.

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In The First Three Minutes Weinberg wrote:
When I speak of a given energy
as being equivalent to a given mass, I mean of course that this is the energy that would be released according to the Einstein formula E=mc^2, if the mass were converted entirely to energy.
When he is says mass converted entirely into energy does he mean the massive particles get converted into new particles? or does mass literally disappear and get converted into some magical etherial, ineffable substance, known as pure energy. I'm still confused as to what pure energy is. I think of it as something tantamount to nothing but it can be made in massive particles which move and can perform work and all that with some bit of magic.
 
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Usually they are referring to a matter antimatter annihilation reaction, where a particle and it's anti particle combine to form a couple of photons. It is kind of a sloppy way of talking which is usually reserved for pop-science type books.

The equation E=mc^2 isn't about conversions of mass to energy and vice versa. It simply states that all energy has a little mass and all mass has a lot of energy. Even in an annihilation reaction, the resulting system of photons has all of the original mass (the mass of the system is greater than the sum of the masses of the constituents) and all of the original energy (and all of the original momentum, although that is being set to 0 for this equation).
 
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so when he says all of the mass being converted to energy that would be a complete conversion of protons neutrons into photons, neutrinos, electrons and positrons?
 
g.lemaitre said:
so when he says all of the mass being converted to energy that would be a complete conversion of protons neutrons into photons, neutrinos, electrons and positrons?
Certainly not: electrons have rest mass.
He must have meant if all of the contained energy is transformed into radiation energy (photons).
Thus the transformation of matter into radiation, as Dalespam rather well elaborated.

Note also the precise formulation by Einstein in his first paper on that topic:

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c²."
-http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/www/
 
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g.lemaitre said:
some magical etherial, ineffable substance, known as pure energy. I'm still confused as to what pure energy is.

It doesn't exist. Energy is always a property of something. In the case of electron/positron annihilation, for example, the electron and positron start out with energy due to their motion (kinetic energy) and energy due to their masses (rest-energy). All of that energy gets converted into the energies of the outgoing photons.
 

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