Coordinate transformation and metric tensor

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of the metric tensor in four-dimensional spacetime, specifically addressing the freedom in choosing components of the metric tensor under coordinate transformations. Participants explore whether it is possible to transform a general metric into specific forms globally or only at particular points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the general four-dimensional symmetric metric tensor has 10 independent components and questions the extent of freedom in choosing these components through coordinate transformations.
  • Another participant suggests that if the goal is to achieve a specific form of the metric at a particular point, it is possible to do so, referencing the equivalence principle.
  • In contrast, the same participant argues that achieving this form globally for an arbitrary metric is likely impossible, citing examples like the Godel universe where certain properties cannot be eliminated through coordinate changes.
  • Further contributions clarify that while two-dimensional metrics can be transformed into specific forms, the same may not hold for general four-dimensional metrics, indicating limitations in global transformations.
  • There is a suggestion that special forms of the metric may exist in open neighborhoods around points with certain symmetries, but this does not imply a global transformation is feasible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of globally transforming the metric tensor. While some agree that specific forms can be achieved locally, there is no consensus on the possibility of such transformations on a global scale for arbitrary metrics.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that it is typically not possible to express the metric for an entire spacetime in a single coordinate chart, which complicates the discussion of transformations.

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General four-dimensional (symmetric) metric tensor has 10 algebraic independent components.

But transformation of coordinates allows choose four components of metric tensor almost arbitrarily.

My question is how much freedom is in choose this components?

Do exist for most general metric any coordinates transformation
[tex]g_{\mu\nu}(x)\rightarrow\tilde{g}_{\mu\nu}(\tilde{x})[/tex] which transforming matric to new form?


[tex] \[ \left( \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> -1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\<br /> 0 & \tilde{g}11 & \tilde{g}12 & \tilde{g}13\\<br /> 0 & \tilde{g}12 & \tilde{g}22 & \tilde{g}23\\<br /> 0 & \tilde{g}13 & \tilde{g}23 & \tilde{g}33 \end{array} \right)\][/tex]

Or​

[tex] \[ \left( \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> -1 & \tilde{g}01 & \tilde{g}02 & \tilde{g}02 \\<br /> \tilde{g}01 & \tilde{g}11 & 0 & 0\\<br /> \tilde{g}02 & 0 & \tilde{g}22 & 0\\<br /> \tilde{g}03 & 0 & 0 & \tilde{g}33 \end{array} \right)\][/tex]
 
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Do you want it to have this form at a particular point, or globally?

If all you want is a particular point, then you can always put it in the form diag(-1,1,1,1). This is guaranteed by the equivalence principle.

If you want this to happen globally, then I'm pretty sure it's impossible, for an arbitrary given metric. For example, I think the first form you gave has no rotation, but spacetimes like the Godel universe have rotation that you can't get rid of by a change of coordinates.
 
bcrowell said:
Do you want it to have this form at a particular point, or globally?
I mean globally transformation.

I know that the general two-dimensional metric can be transformed into the orthogonal traceless form

[tex] \[ \left( \begin{array}{cc}<br /> g_{00}(t,x) & g_{01}(t,x) \\<br /> g_{01}(t,x) & g_{11}(t,x) \end{array} \right)\rightarrow<br /> \left( \begin{array}{cc}<br /> h(\tau,\chi) & 0 \\<br /> 0 & -h(\tau,\chi) \end{array} \right).<br /> \] [/tex]​

What can we say about the transformation coordinates for general four-dimensional metric?
 
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archipatelin said:
I mean globally transformation.

I know that the general two-dimensional metric can be transformed into the orthogonal traceless form

[tex] \[ \left( \begin{array}{cc}<br /> g_{00}(t,x) & g_{01}(t,x) \\<br /> g_{01}(t,x) & g_{11}(t,x) \end{array} \right)\rightarrow<br /> \left( \begin{array}{cc}<br /> h(\tau,\chi) & 0 \\<br /> 0 & -h(\tau,\chi) \end{array} \right).<br /> \] [/tex]​

What can we say about the transformation coordinates for general four-dimensional metric?
Then I think the answer is what I said in #2: there's not much you can do in general.

Keep in mind that you typically can't write down the metric for an entire spacetime in a single coordinate chart, so not only can you not put the metric in a special form, you can't put it in *any* form.

Maybe there is something more that can be said about special forms of the metric on an open neighborhood of any point. Certainly there are special forms in an open neighborhood if you have some kind of symmetry (static, stationary, ...).
 

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