Coriolis Acceleration: Anti-Clockwise vs Radial Velocity

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The discussion revolves around the direction of Coriolis acceleration in a rotating system, specifically questioning why it is considered positive in the eθ direction when the system rotates anti-clockwise and the velocity is radially outwards. The conversation touches on definitions, conventions, and the application of the Coriolis effect in non-inertial frames.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why Coriolis acceleration is in the positive eθ direction, suggesting that if the velocity is radially outwards, the acceleration should be in the negative eθ direction.
  • Another participant provides a definition of Coriolis acceleration from the co-rotating frame perspective, indicating it is defined as ## -2 \dot{r} \dot{\theta} ##, which is against the rotation.
  • A further reply suggests using the cross product definition and the right-hand rule to determine the direction of Coriolis acceleration, while also questioning the convention of the definition and the presence of the minus sign.
  • Another participant notes the distinction in non-inertial frames between "apparent" acceleration and inertial forces, which are treated differently in Newton's second law.

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Participants express differing views on the direction of Coriolis acceleration and the conventions used in its definition. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriateness of the definitions and conventions applied.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions behind the definitions of Coriolis acceleration and the implications of using different frames of reference. The discussion highlights the complexity of applying Newton's laws in rotating systems.

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In the above question, why is coriolis acceleration in the positive eθ direction?. The system is rotating in an anti-clockwise direction, and in the er direction the velocity of the cam is
radially outwards. Would this mean that the coriolis acceleration is to the right of this velocity and thus in the negitive eθ direction?
 
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The Coriolis acceleration is defined from the point of view in the co-rotating frame, and it would be ## -2 \dot{r} \dot{\theta} ##, against the rotation.
 
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If unsure about the direction use the cross product definition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect#Formula

Then use the right-hand-rule. Or the left-hand-rule to account for the minus sign in the definition, or the right-hand-rule but swap the cross product operands.

Which makes me wonder: Why do they write the definition in that order and add the minus sign? This seems to be a convention for all inertial forces in the rotating frame:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_reference_frame#Newton.27s_second_law_in_the_two_frames

Why not swap the operands, and drop the minus sign? Is it make it them look like the linear inertial force -ma?
 
In the non-inertial frame, a distinction is made between the "apparent" acceleration, which is treated as the acceleration in Newton's second law for the rotating frame, and three other terms, which are considered the effect of inertial forces and are tossed over to the other side of Newton's second law.
 

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