Coriolis acceleration right hand rule? ?

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The discussion revolves around the right hand rule as it applies to Coriolis acceleration, exploring how to determine its direction using examples and the mathematical formulation of the Coriolis force. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to rotating reference frames.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that the Coriolis force can be expressed as \textbf{}F_C{} = -2m\textbf{}Ω\times\textbf{}v, where Ω is the angular velocity and v is the velocity of the observed body.
  • One participant describes a scenario where they are rotating counter-clockwise, with the angular velocity vector pointing upwards, and illustrates how to use the right hand rule to find the direction of the Coriolis effect.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about determining the Cartesian coordinates (x, y, z) for the rotating reference frame, indicating a need for further clarification on this aspect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various interpretations of the right hand rule and its application to Coriolis acceleration, with some agreement on the mathematical formulation but uncertainty regarding the Cartesian coordinates in the rotating frame. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the rotating reference frame and the specific conditions under which the examples are provided. The discussion does not resolve how to apply the right hand rule in different coordinate systems.

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Can somebody please explain ( properly)with examples , how the right hand rule describes the direction of coriolis acceleration? please!
 
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the Coriolis force is something like v x omega and the cross product follows the right hand rule in a right handed coordinate system.
 
The Coriolis term is \textbf{}F_C{} = -2m\textbf{}Ω\times\textbf{}v

Where Ω is the angular velocity and v is the velocity of the body you are observing from the rotating reference frame.

To give an example imagine you are rotating with some constant angular velocity. For definiteness let's say you are rotating counter-clockwise. Then the angular velocity vector points upwards out of your head.

Now you observe a body somewhere around you. To determine the direction of the Coriolis effect you take the cross product between your angular velocity and the velocity of the body.

Again, for definiteness, let's say when you first observe the body it is directly in front of you and has a velocity to your left. (After this instant things will change of course, but that is what we are trying to find out).

Using the right-hand rule your thumb is pointing upwards in the direction of angular velocity. Your index finger points in the direction of the velocity of the body which should be to your left. Now your middle finger should point towards yourself, but there is a minus sign we must look at, so the Coriolis effect points outwards away from you, rather than towards you.

I hope that is correct and that it helps. :smile:
 
TheShrike said:
The Coriolis term is \textbf{}F_C{} = -2m\textbf{}Ω\times\textbf{}v

Where Ω is the angular velocity and v is the velocity of the body you are observing from the rotating reference frame.

To give an example imagine you are rotating with some constant angular velocity. For definiteness let's say you are rotating counter-clockwise. Then the angular velocity vector points upwards out of your head.

Now you observe a body somewhere around you. To determine the direction of the Coriolis effect you take the cross product between your angular velocity and the velocity of the body.

Again, for definiteness, let's say when you first observe the body it is directly in front of you and has a velocity to your left. (After this instant things will change of course, but that is what we are trying to find out).

Using the right-hand rule your thumb is pointing upwards in the direction of angular velocity. Your index finger points in the direction of the velocity of the body which should be to your left. Now your middle finger should point towards yourself, but there is a minus sign we must look at, so the Coriolis effect points outwards away from you, rather than towards you.

I hope that is correct and that it helps. :smile:
Thanks that does help, but I am still puzzled on how to determine the cartesian coordinates (x,y,z) , for the rotating reference frame ? any ideas please?
 

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