Correct Calculation of Vertical Stress in Soil

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of total vertical stress at the center of a clay layer in a soil mechanics context, specifically addressing the assumptions made about the saturation of soil layers above the groundwater table. The scope includes theoretical considerations and potential errors in approximations used in calculations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assumption that the 2m thick sand layer is dry, suggesting that only the 1m thick sand is moist or saturated.
  • Another participant points out that the problem statement allows for the assumption that the sand above ground level may be considered saturated, inviting a discussion on the implications of this approximation.
  • A suggestion is made to quantify the error introduced by assuming saturation in the sand layer, specifically by using a sand porosity of 30% to analyze its impact on vertical and effective stress calculations.
  • There is a clarification sought regarding whether this situation represents a special case of saturation above the groundwater table, which leads to further questioning of the assumptions made.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to solve the problem both with and without the saturation approximation to compare the results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumption of saturation in the sand layer, with some supporting the approximation while others question its validity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of error introduced by this assumption.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions of soil saturation and the potential impact on stress calculations, but does not resolve these issues.

tzx9633

Homework Statement


In this question , i suspect the total vertical stress at the center of the clay is incorrect .

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The Attempt at a Solution


In the figure , we can see that the water table is art 2m below the sand . So , the 2m sand thick should be dry , am i right ? Only the 1m thick sand is moist / saturated with water .

so , when we are calculating the vertical stress , we have to divide the soil into 2 parts , which are (dry unit weight of soil x 2m ) + ( saturated unit weight of soil x 1m) + ( saturated unit weight of clay x 2m)
 

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tzx9633 said:

Homework Statement


In this question , i suspect the total vertical stress at the center of the clay is incorrect .

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


In the figure , we can see that the water table is art 2m below the sand . So , the 2m sand thick should be dry , am i right ? Only the 1m thick sand is moist / saturated with water .

so , when we are calculating the vertical stress , we have to divide the soil into 2 parts , which are (dry unit weight of soil x 2m ) + ( saturated unit weight of soil x 1m) + ( saturated unit weight of clay x 2m)
Well, the problem statement says that, in determining the vertical stress, "the sand above ground level may be assumed to be saturated." So, you are correct in your objection. But the question is, how much of an error does this approximation introduce? Why don't you assume a sand porosity of 30% and quantify the magnitude of the error introduced by this approximation in the vertical stress and in the effective stress at the center of the clay layer?
 
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Chestermiller said:
Well, the problem statement says that, in determining the vertical stress, "the sand above ground level may be assumed to be saturated." So, you are correct in your objection. But the question is, how much of an error does this approximation introduce? Why don't you assume a sand porosity of 30% and quantify the magnitude of the error introduced by this approximation in the vertical stress and in the effective stress at the center of the clay layer?
Do you mean this is a special case where the soil is assumed to be saturated above the groundwater table ??
 
tzx9633 said:
Do you mean this is a special case where the soil is assumed to be saturated above the groundwater table ??
Did I say that? No I didn't.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Did I say that? No I didn't.
then , why the soil is assumed to be saturated ?
 
tzx9633 said:
then , why the soil is assumed to be saturated ?
As you already pointed out, this is only an approximation. I would like for you to solve it with and without the approximation so you can compare the results. Do you think you can do that?
 
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