Cost-effective (and green) monitoring of plant water

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the methods for monitoring the nutrient composition of plant water, particularly from natural sources like lake water, for the purpose of growing vegetables and fruits in a greenhouse. Participants explore cost-effective and environmentally friendly approaches to assess nutrient levels, considering both the practicality of testing and the specific needs of different plants.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that comprehensive testing for all nutrients may not be necessary unless checking for contaminants, advocating for a focus on essential nutrients like NPK and minerals.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the nutrient richness of lake water, pointing out that nutrient-rich lakes often experience algal blooms.
  • A participant shares their intention to use lake water for irrigation, noting its organic content and potential environmental benefits, but seeks confirmation on its viability as a nutrient source.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality and cost of sending water samples to certified labs for testing, especially for frequent checks.
  • One participant questions the rationale behind investing a significant amount in testing for trace minerals when growing vegetables, suggesting that action should only be taken when plants show signs of distress.
  • Another participant counters that while the initial investment may seem high, the long-term benefits of growing fresh produce locally could justify the costs, especially in areas with high grocery prices.
  • There is mention of the potential for hydroponics, indicating a shift in the approach to growing plants that may require different nutrient monitoring strategies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the necessity and methods of nutrient testing. Some advocate for simplified approaches while others emphasize the importance of thorough testing, leading to an unresolved discussion on the best practices for monitoring plant water composition.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions about the nutrient content of lake water and the conditions under which plants thrive. There are also unresolved questions regarding the practicality of testing methods and the specific nutrient requirements for different plant varieties.

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What do you think is the ultimate way to oversee plant nutrient water composition - say you need to check the nutrient levels from a natural water source for all the essentials a handful of times a year? Full profile: N, P, K, Ca, S, Mg, B, Cl, Mn, Fe, Zn, Cu, Mo, Ni.

Preferred method would be to use the least amount of disposables, and naturally, to be able to get it done relatively easily.

Cost effectiveness in this case means an investment of anywhere between 1-10k €.
 
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It depends on the variety of plant you want to grow and you don't need a full or a comprehensive test(all minerals and elements) just for the sake--unless, you test the water for contaminants --wherein a comprehensive coverage of pollutants might be tested.

Stick with the basic of life. Plant do need(aside from sunlight and carbon dioxide) first, a good organic food, second- fertilizer(NPK) and third-minerals.This guy has sense and may help with your problem. He does actual testing by growing.
 
I live in the vicinity of lakewater and I've been pondering about making a little (warm) greenhouse in which I could grow some veggies and fruits for food all year round, or at least when sunlight exceeds 12hrs a day (march-september). I don't have a lot of time to manage it to be honest and that's why I thought the traditional fertilizing would become too much of a hassle (plus the manure odour is not-accepted in the immediate vicinity of the house;)

I thought that lakewater has a lot of organic material in it (at least this lake), and should thus provide a fairly good and already fertilized water source. EC and pH should also be in the 1.8-2.2 (EC) and 6.0 (pH) region. Plus it would be enviromentally friendly to use it eutrophication-wise.

I'm no agrologist, but I thought that the most straightforward way to get it rolling to begin with would be to use soil-grown plants and make a little irrigation system that you could turn on and off at your heart's content. Problem is I can't find anything on the internet in which people would have considered lakewater as a ready source of both water+nutrients. Any thoughts?
 
I doubt lake water is rich enough in nutrients. Whenever it is, lakes bloom with algae as crazy (till the algae die and the lake stinks as hell).
 
Send a sample to a certified lab.

Plants need trace amounts of minerals. Is the soil you are using really barren?

You fertilize with nitrogen, potassium and phosphate. If you don't want to fertilize it, once or twice a year should be enough, you can hire someone.

This post is really strange. You want to grow some vegetables in a greenhouse. Market worth is probably 100-200 dollars. But you want to spend 10k to check now much nickel, manganese and molybdenum is in the water? And you call it an investment?

If you are just growing vegetables, you would only take action when there's signs your plants are unhealthy.
 
Well, I believe the price is not everything, and while 10k is obviously pushing it, 1k sure isn't over a few years time. I live in the upper latitudes. There's only a few months of summer season that's noticeable in the grocery store, otherwise the greenery you buy fresh can cost (tomatoes, cucumber, zucchini, apples, pears, etc) up to 15-20$ a kilogram easily, even more. Plus they're usually shipped from a thousand to a few thousand kilometers distance, which I think is a bit crazy in many ways. If I could provide the heating required essentially from otherwise wasted heat, and the power consumption for the extra lighting required would be in the few hundred dollars range / year, I would be matching the cost of the local grocery store pretty much. Pound per pound price probably wouldn't be a lot different from the present, but at least it would be more fresh, and it would be nice to have a little garden all year round.

Certified lab costs could be getting kind of heavy and impractical if you have to do a before-and-after check a few times a year? Obviously purchasing a certified lab and learning how to use it would be impractical too...

I thought that if there was an easy way to readings out of everything one should need for growing, then it would be relatively easy to get a storage tank that'll last a good while, fill it up, check it out for all the essentials and add as required, use it and do it all over again, and evade the diagnostics of malnourishment altogether? (no increase from the present required in that section:wink:)

Edit: Soil could be very barren, since I thought I could have a little hydroponical section!
 
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