Coulomb's law — A negative charge balanced between 3 positive charges

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The discussion revolves around Coulomb's law in the context of three equal positive charges arranged in an equilateral triangle, with a negative charge placed at the center. Participants are exploring the forces acting on the negative charge and the reasoning behind the calculations related to these forces.

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  • Participants are questioning the inclusion of the factor of 3 in the force calculation between the charges, specifically why it appears when considering the force on the negative charge from the three positive charges. There are discussions about the distances involved and the relationships between the charges.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the calculations and assumptions made. Some participants have pointed out potential misunderstandings about the distances between the charges and the significance of the factor of 3 in the force equation.

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There are mentions of specific values for the charges and the need for consistency in significant figures. Some participants express confusion over the units and the representation of the charges in the equations, indicating a need for clarity in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement
Three equal positive charges, q = 8.5 μC each, are arranged at the vertices of equilateral triangle (see figure below). A negative charge, Q, is placed at the center of the triangle such that all four charges are in equilibrium.
Relevant Equations
Ef=0
f=kq1q2/r^2
hello i would like to understand something, i found the right answer but there is still something i don't understand.
here is the figure
a.png


and here is my correct solution

aa.jpg

aaa.jpg


what i don't understand is why F(3,Q) is 3kQ/r^2
i mean why is the 3? i only calculat the force between q3 and Q so why the 3 before?
 
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You mean Coulomb's law. Not "colon law".
 
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Steve4Physics said:
You mean Coulomb's law. Not "colon law".
fixed thank you
 
yesmale4 said:
Homework Statement:: Three equal positive charges, q = 8.5 μC each, are arranged at the vertices of equilateral triangle (see figure below). A negative charge, Q, is placed at the center of the triangle such that all four charges are in equilibrium.
Relevant Equations:: Ef=0
f=kq1q2/r^2

hello i would like to understand something, i found the right answer but there is still something i don't understand.
here is the figure
View attachment 316259

and here is my correct solution

View attachment 316260
View attachment 316261

what i don't understand is why F(3,Q) is 3kQ/r^2
i mean why is the 3? i only calculat the force between q3 and Q so why the 3 before?
What does r represent in your solution? The distance from where to where?
 
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yesmale4 said:
i found the right answer
What is the question :smile: ? (i can guess...)

I suppose
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means ##\sqrt{3}\over 2## ?

You may want to learn some ##\LaTeX## (button at lower left of edit window). Or write and draw more unambiguously (the 60##^\circ## at the lower left looks more like 45##^\circ##, smack between 30##^\circ## and 60##^\circ##...)​

You seem to think that the sides of the triangle are ##r##. Fine, but then the distance ##qQ## is not ##r## !

##\ ##
 
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EDIT. Apologies @yesmale4. I misread your working. So this post is wrong and I've struck it through.

By the way @yesmale4, you have the incorrect unit in your answer. So your answer is wrong by a factor of one million!

Also, the value of q in the question is given to 2 significant figures. For consistency, your calculated value for Q should also have 2 significant figures.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
Also, the value of q in the question is given to 2 significant figures. For consistency, your calculated value for Q should also have 2 significant figures.
I don't see a calculated value. All I see is ##Q=\dfrac{q}{\sqrt{3}}## C. The issue is that there should be no units of Coulombs in the expression since it is a relation between magnitudes of charges.
 
kuruman said:
I don't see a calculated value. All I see is ##Q=\dfrac{q}{\sqrt{3}}## C. The issue is that there should be no units of Coulombs in the expression since it is a relation between magnitudes of charges.
Whoops. In haste I misread ##\frac q {\sqrt 3}## as ##\frac 9 {\sqrt 3}## (though that would have been an incorrect answer in any case).
 
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yesmale4 said:
Homework Statement:: Three equal positive charges, q = 8.5 μC each, are arranged at the vertices of equilateral triangle (see figure below). A negative charge, Q, is placed at the center of the triangle such that all four charges are in equilibrium.
Relevant Equations:: Ef=0
f=kq1q2/r^2

hello i would like to understand something, i found the right answer but there is still something i don't understand.
here is the figure
View attachment 316259

and here is my correct solution

[ ATTACH type="full" alt="aa.jpg"]316260[/ATTACH]
[ ATTACH type="full" alt="aaa.jpg"]316261[/ATTACH]

what I don't understand is why F(3,Q) is 3kQ/r^2
i mean why is the 3? i only calculated the force between q3 and Q so why the 3 before?
This seems rather strange. It's your solution, but you do not know where the 3 comes from.

Notice that the distance from q1 to q2 , etc. is not the same as the distance from each q to the central Q.

If you let R be the distance from each q to the charge Q in the center you should find that, ##\dfrac{r/2}{R} =\cos(30^\circ)## .
 
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SammyS said:
It's your solution
Maybe not. Could be "found" as in "… in the back of the book".
SammyS said:
Notice that the distance from q1 to q2 , etc. is not the same as the distance from each q to the central Q.
… and this is where the 3 comes from. ##\frac 1{(\frac r{\sqrt 3})^2}=\frac 3{r^2}##
 
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