COVID COVID-19 Coronavirus Containment Efforts

[kadiot]

An even better way is for you to stop spreading nutty conspiracy theories.

Did i?

 

[Vanadium 50]

And what about the 1,100 crew of the ship?

They are instructed to STAY ON BOARD the ship!

And what would you have them do instead? Imprison them in the US?

 

[kadiot]

And what would you have them do instead? Imprison them in the US?

Have they not heard of the spread of Covid 19 in that cruise ship in Yokohama which was not allowed to dock for 28 days?
Are immigration fears going to trump health concerns of the crew, many of whom are Filipinos?
Is the health concern of crew members of this cruise ship of lower premium than those of the Americans?

 

[Vanadium 50]

I notice that you did not answer my question. Telling.

 

[mfb]

And what would you have them do instead? Imprison them in the US?

Give them the option to live in whatever place the US can arrange, even if they cannot leave that place? Better than staying on the ship for sure.

 

[Vanadium 50]

That's at least an answer. What happens if they change their minds?

 

[kadiot]

I notice that you did not answer my question. Telling.

No need. Our Department of Foreign Affairs already know the number of Filipino crews and are preparing their repatriation. Thank you.

 

[bhobba]

When I see medical experts saying things like we have a strategic reserve of masks and other PPE for use by healthcare providers in one breath and then say those same masks are useless for the general public, I can spot the lie easily.

All I can do is again reefer to Professor Nigel McMillan who also teachers this stuff - see from 8 minutes on:
https://www.2hd.com.au/2020/02/25/b...el-mcmillan-on-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus/

I am no layman.

Neither is he.

If you think this is some kind of 'con' then as one comment intimated - he was skeptical, as am I.

Thanks
Bill

 

[chirhone]

There is no need for police to guard those blocks. Almost everyone is aware the situation. There are only several volunteers guarding at gates. In Wuhan, people are not allowed to go out. Instead, volunteers deliver food and daily supplies to every family. People just have to submit their needs on mobilephones.

Good. I thought police would man some checkpoint. In our country. The police are most feared because many are masterminds of the criminal organizations (reference Nation Police Chief is Crime Head too https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-50120723 are you sure no police is involved in lockdown anywhere? )

It seems there is evidence that the virus is brought to the market from other places. The origin may not be trackable. However, the market, with high population density, bad ventilation and high moisture, did provide a perfect environment for the virus to spread.
I am not sure what you are referring here. If you mean that the virus may be designed by someone, it would seems impossible. I remember there are some paper saying the virus are naturally produced.

I thought there was a real high tech biolab near Wuhan. I read cnn the scientists swore they didnt create it. Can someone give the reference to clear this up (about china's most advanced lab near Wuhan)?

(Edit: Pls confirm or disconfirm this. One of china most advanced labs is near Wuhan right? https://www.thestar.com.my/news/reg...fringe-theory-linking-coronavirus-to-lab-leak

 

[Haorong Wu]

Good. I thought police would man some checkpoint. In our country. The police are most feared because many are masterminds of the criminal organizations (reference Nation Police Chief is Crime Head too https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-50120723 are you sure no police is involved in lockdown anywhere? )

I am not in Wuhan, but my friend there told me there is no need for police at the gates unless necessary.

Police play in another role. There are district police who are responsible to checking everyone in his or her area is healthy. Also police are drivers, nurses or repairers. I mean, if you are tripped, you can ask police to help you get home; if you feel not well, you can not go to hopital by yourself under lockdown, but you can ask police to drive you there.

Besides, police are highly respected in China. If we run into troubles, we would seek help from police at the first time. I am sorry I could not imagine police are feard by their own people.

There is a P4 lab in Wuhan. This is the reason why we are optimistic at the early period because we believed that with such a high level lab, the virus can be under control. But it turned out to be wrong.

 

[chirhone]

I am not in Wuhan, but my friend there told me there is no need for police at the gates unless necessary.

Police play in another role. There are district police who are responsible to checking everyone in his or her area is healthy. Also police are drivers, nurses or repairers. I mean, if you are tripped, you can ask police to help you get home; if you feel not well, you can not go to hopital by yourself under lockdown, but you can ask police to drive you there.

Besides, police are highly respected in China. If we run into troubles, we would seek help from police at the first time. I am sorry I could not imagine police are feard by their own people.

There is a P4 lab in Wuhan. This is the reason why we are optimistic at the early period because we believed that with such a high level lab, the virus can be under control. But it turned out to be wrong.

How many P4 labs in china? What areas have them? What is the most advanced one? P4 stands for level 4 (P?)

 

[jbriggs444]

How many P4 labs in china? What areas have them? What is the most advanced one? P4 stands for level 4 (P?)

Google is your friend. Start by spending 15 seconds there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level

 

[atyy]

I am not sure what you are referring here. If you mean that the virus may be designed by someone, it would seems impossible. I remember there are some paper saying the virus are naturally produced.

It is not yet clear how this particular Coronavirus was produced, but it seems closely related to coronaviruses found in bats and pangolins.
https://nextstrain.org/groups/blab/sars-like-cov?c=host

 

[DennisN]

Two recent articles from Reuters, one regarding measures in Europe and one regarding world markets:

• Europe told to act now as Coronavirus locks down north Italy and markets plunge (Reuters, March 9, 2020)

(Italy currently has the second-highest death toll after China and are taking a number of various measures which are described in the article)

Italy’s prime minister promised “massive shock therapy” to beat the Coronavirus on Monday and urged Europe to act decisively after markets plunged and his country sealed off much of its wealthy industrial north.
...
France echoed Giuseppe Conte’s call for action, saying Europe must come up with a “strong, massive and coordinated response” and euro zone finance ministers, meeting next week, must decide on a stimulus plan to avoid economic crisis.
...
“We will not stop here,” Conte told the daily La Repubblica. “We will use a massive shock therapy. To come out of this emergency we will use all human and economic resources.”

And markets are taking hits:

• Coronavirus shock and oil price fall pummel world stocks (Reuters, March 9, 2020)

 

[bhobba]

That’s a good idea. If you do catch this thing it will help your doctor rule out seasonal flu and may help you get COVID-19 test earlier. Might help your close contacts not catch it from you.

Here is Aus the flu season is a couple of months away, but to help free resources to fight coronovirus CSR that manufactures the vaccine is strengthening it. I know I will get a call from my doctor to come in and get the shot as soon as its released - but likely I will ring up and make an appointment before.

Thanks
Bill

 

[chemisttree]

It is not yet clear how this particular Coronavirus was produced, but it seems closely related to coronaviruses found in bats and pangolins.
https://nextstrain.org/groups/blab/sars-like-cov?c=host

I don’t know how to interpret the phylogeny map perhaps but it seems to me that the virus is most closely related to bat and civet strains rather than the pangolin. The pangolin strain is off on its own branch?

How does a pangolin catch something from a bat?

 

[StatGuy2000]

I don’t know how to interpret the phylogeny map perhaps but it seems to me that the virus is most closely related to bat and civet strains rather than the pangolin. The pangolin strain is off on its own branch?

How does a pangolin catch something from a bat?

From what I've read, the most likely scenario is that the Coronavirus strain jumped the species barrier from (possibly) bats or civets to a pangolin, and then to people through a common location where these animals and people congregate. Namely the outdoor markets in Wuhan, where live animals are bought and sold for food (as is common throughout China and many parts of South and Southeast Asia).

From what I understand, these live animal markets are also quite common in parts of Africa as well.

 

[DennisN]

From what I've read, the most likely scenario is that the Coronavirus strain jumped the species barrier from (possibly) bats or civets to a pangolin, and then to people through a common location where these animals and people congregate.

That's what I've read too.

 

[atyy]

I don’t know how to interpret the phylogeny map perhaps but it seems to me that the virus is most closely related to bat and civet strains rather than the pangolin. The pangolin strain is off on its own branch?

I think the branching you see is assumption on the choice of root, but these guys should know what they are doing so it should be good. Nonetheless, they have produced an unrooted diagram also.
https://nextstrain.org/groups/blab/sars-like-cov?c=host&l=unrooted

 

[chemisttree]

From what I've read, the most likely scenario is that the Coronavirus strain jumped the species barrier from (possibly) bats or civets to a pangolin, and then to people through a common location where these animals and people congregate.

Interesting if true. But it is now reported that the pangolin strain is at best only 92% similar to the virus found in humans. Only that portion of the genome responsible for coding the pangolin spike binding protein was reported as 99% similar. The bat strain was something like 96% similar.

Perhaps someone will do a study to determine how easily a bat Coronavirus infects pangolins? The bat version is reported to not be easily transferred to humans.

 

[kadiot]

I have wondered about this...all agencies are avoiding huge gatherings in a bid to check the spread of the virus. Why don't we do something similar in the Archdiocese? Our parish churches especially on Sundays, are perfect incubation centers for the disease.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...ses-announces-day-of-fasting-and-prayer-54167

 

[kadiot]

Singapore just created test kits for covid-19. In 3 hours.. results are out!

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-new-test-kits-swab-three-hours-12505658

 

[Rive]

From the frontline
Quite ... bad.

 

[chemisttree]

I wish I hadn’t read that...

 

[chirhone]

About the total lockdown in Italy. I read "Italy's 60-million people will only be able to travel for work, medical reasons or emergencies until April 3. All schools and universities, which were closed nationwide last week until March 15, will now not reopen before next month.".

What happens if you want to transfer from one house to another 10 blocks away? For example. You got separated from your loved ones before the lockdown. Would it be allowed or you would be jailed? Days ago I was imagining lockdown like martial law.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-cases-why-more-men-than-women-2020-2?amp

Here I read most affected are males. Is there any summary where it can be listed the exact number of male, female, adult and children victims? Is it possible women and children *mainly* are spared. Maybe COVID-19 has man hatter issue?

Is there a virus that can be made to home in on only high levels of testosterone? What other chemicals that only exist in men and not women and children? (for the women affected by COVID-19. Is there by chance they have higher level of testosterone?)

 

[Ygggdrasil]

Genetic analyses currently point to the virus perhaps being the result of recombination between bat and pangolin coronaviruses. However, these analyses are preliminary and have not yet been published in peer reviewed journals. More work will be needed in the future to determine the exact origins of the virus, but these studies make a good case that pangolins were involved as an intermediatry species:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.939207v1
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.17.951335v1
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.13.945485v1

 

[Ygggdrasil]

Here I read most affected are males. Is there any summary where it can be listed the exact number of male, female, adult and children victims? Is it possible women and children *mainly* are spared. Maybe COVID-19 has man hatter issue?

Is there a virus that can be made to home in on only high levels of testosterone? What other chemicals that only exist in men and not women and children? (for the women affected by COVID-19. Is there by chance they have higher level of testosterone?)

Here is an article summarizing some of the characteristics of those infected in China: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762130. While women have slightly lower mortality, they are by no means spared. Children however, do seem to exhibit very low mortality for unknown reasons (for a discussion of the issue in the popular press see )

Here's an article which discusses some of the potential reasons why the virus shows higher mortality in men, including a higher prevalence of smoking in men and differences in immune responses between the sexes: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/health/coronavirus-men-women.html

 

[Haorong Wu]

Here is an article summarizing some of the characteristics of those infected in China: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762130. While women have slightly lower mortality, they are by no means spared. Children however, do seem to exhibit very low mortality for unknown reasons (for a discussion of the issue in the popular press see )

Here's an article which discusses some of the potential reasons why the virus shows higher mortality in men, including a higher prevalence of smoking in men and differences in immune responses between the sexes: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/health/coronavirus-men-women.html

The reason is that the whole country's medical resource, such as tens of thousands of doctors and nurses, are thrown into the black hole in Wuhan to supress the mortality.

 

[Haorong Wu]

Here is a comparison between Italy and Germany. If Germany do follow Italy, things would get really bad.

:(

 

[Mary Conrads Sanburn]

Coronavirus-Stricken Grand Princess Arrives At Port Of Oakland; Passenger Says ‘It Looks Like A War Zone’

March 9, 2020 at 11:19 am

OAKLAND (CBS SF) — The coronavirus-stricken Grand Princess made its way under the famed Golden Gate Bridge Monday, heading toward the Port of Oakland where the more than 2,000 passengers will disembark under heavy military security, undergo medical examinations and then be transported to 14-day quarantine sites at four bases across the country.

passengers wearing masks waved from the ship’s pool area to the helicopters hovering overhead as the Grand Princess neared the bridge, relieved their ill-fated journey was about to come to an end.

WATCH LIVE CONTINUING COVERAGE ON CBSN BAY Area: Grand Princess Arrives In Oakland; Passengers talk about ordeal aboard boat

“It’s been a nightmare the last few days,” Eddie Castellano, a passenger onboard from Miami, told KPIX 5 in the telephone interview. “But today, I’m feeling great. I’m feeling hopeful that we finally after all these days I’m going to be able to get off this ship.”

Looking out his window, Castellano said the dockside was filled with military personnel and ambulances.

“I see some military outside the ship right now,” he said. “I see a lot of military. I see a lot of ambulances… It looks like a war zone. I’m terrified. I’m not going to lie to you. I’ve never been through something like this in my life before…I’m worried about the 3,000 people on this boat and their health.”

Maureen James from San Mateo is also a passenger on the ship with her husband. She said the cheers of a crowd on the Golden Gate Bridge as the ship passed underneath made her feel like she’s finally returned home.

“One of the amazing things to me today was when we sailed under the Golden Gate Bridge and the 100-plus people that were on the bridge cheering us on,” she said.

Then the dock workers and truck drivers at the massive Port of Oakland facility also gave the passengers a boisterous welcome.

“The people at the Oakland pier here, honking their horns and cheering us on,” she said. “You know it’s just a warm feeling — there are a few people out there that think why in my backyard. It is what it is. We went on a cruise, something unfortunate happened. They have to get us all off in a safe manner and get us tested to make sure we are okay.”

[ . . . ]

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...s-golden-gate-bridge-sick-passengers-oakland/

Please read the entire article.