Create an Ion Thruster: 10th Grade Engineering Project

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of building an ion thruster as a tenth-grade engineering project. Participants explore the technical challenges, safety considerations, and potential designs, including the possibility of using a cyclotron or other particle accelerators. The scope includes theoretical and practical aspects of engineering and physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in building an ion thruster and seeks guidance on its feasibility, mentioning potential access to university resources.
  • Another participant suggests that building an ion thruster is possible but may be difficult and expensive without proper equipment, particularly a vacuum system.
  • A warning is issued regarding the dangers of high voltages associated with ion thrusters, emphasizing the importance of having a knowledgeable supervisor during the project.
  • A clarification is made about the difference between an ion source and an ion thruster, noting that a thruster should emit a neutral ion beam to avoid issues with charge buildup that could affect performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that building an ion thruster is possible but acknowledge significant challenges and safety concerns. There are differing views on the specific design considerations and the implications of using charged versus neutral ion beams.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the complexity of the design and the need for specific equipment, such as vacuum chambers and high voltage systems. Safety concerns regarding high voltages are also highlighted.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for high school students interested in engineering projects, educators looking for project ideas, and hobbyists exploring advanced physics concepts.

Ian Malcolm
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Hello Physics Forums, I am a tenth grade student looking into a possible engineering/science project. I wanted to know if an ion thruster could be built, how hard would it be if at all possible. I could work with the university of Arizona and they might lend me a lab and equipment. (such as vacuum chambers). I know things of this stature have been done before students have made crude fusion reactors and particle accelerators. I know quite a bit about physics (for someone in tenth grade) mostly from school and independent reading. I know this is really out there but I just need guidance because I have a passion for science (astronomy mostly) and science fair is something I use for its creative exploration. But sadly all my projects have not been challenging or creative enough. They have all been good projects but they never were memorable. This year I want something big but not impossible something challenging and creative. I would greatly appreciate your input.
Can I create some type of ion thruster? What about a cyclotron? Some other type of particle accelerator?
If there is anything you have been curious about please tell! I have all year.
 
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It's certainly possible. It might be difficult and expensive if you do not have assistance for the vacuum system. If you wanted to do an electrostatic thruster, I think to do it you should have a vacuum chamber with high voltage feedthroughs for providing the acceleration, and feedthrough for some way of measuring the force.
 


I should add that high voltages can be dangerous and I do not want to be partially resonsible for getting you killed.

If you decide to do this, having a knowledgeable supervisor might be the right thing to do. Also, if you do decide to do this, maybe you should post updates to an internet forum so more people may monitor your progress and give advice.
 
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The difference between an ion source (needed for thruster) and an ion thruster is that the ion beam in the thruster is a neutral (uncharged) beam. This is a very significant difference. If the thruster emits a charged ion beam, a charge potential builds up on the thruster case, and eventually the charged ion beam stops, turns around, and re-enters the thruster (actually it is space charge limited, but with same result). Not an easy design.

Bob S
 

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