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Hi DaleSpamDaleSpam said:I am pretty sure that you are not understanding me, but after your posting the drawings I am confident that I am understanding you. Even if you cannot understand the math you can at least look at the equations in the different frames and see that they are essentially the same.
In his frame he IS at the center and green man is not.
So what makes green man's frame correct and red man's frame incorrect in your opinion? Simply because we chose to draw green man's frame? If so, then any frame is the absolute rest frame as long as we choose to draw it. Is that what you really want?
I think that the problem is that you don't even understand what "absolute rest" means. There are millions of ways to determine whether or not two things are moving relative to each other, and so far that is all any of your geometry has demonstrated. In order to experimentally determine if something is at absolute rest you need to perform an experiment where the identical experiment performed in different frames gives different results. That is simply not possible under the known laws of physics.
Sorry I have been slow to respond.
Yes I do see the belief of red and green men being at the center but just in a "belief" sense.
Please have a look at my non geometric post number 101.
I am pleased that you understand my geometry even if you do not agree. Can I just remind you of an address by Einstein himself in the 20s when he made the statement
Now if you understand my geometry, you will be able to see from my point of view at least, that in that statement there is a fundamental mistake. I have mentioned this in a previous post. I believe you did not relate the geometry to it at that time but now you can see how it works."The aether must be in the nature of a solid body, because transverse waves are not possible in a fluid but only in a solid. Thus physicists were bound to arrive at the theory of a quasi ridgid luminiferous aether"
Now the many physicists of that time were out to design a mechanical theory, influenced by that very transverse wave belief.
Without going back into explaining the geometry, you should now see how I believe transverse waves are formed.
If it were proved that absolute rest does exist would you drop Lorentz.
If Einstein had two papers to assess at the time of Lorentz and the mechanical theory worked fine, Lorentz would have been dropped.