Current and power with transformers

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The discussion revolves around an ideal single-phase transformer problem involving voltage, resistance, and power calculations. The original poster is attempting to determine the primary current and the power dissipated in a connected resistor, while navigating potential losses in a resistance cable.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the impact of the resistance cable on the voltage entering the transformer and suggest transforming the load resistor to the primary side for analysis. Questions arise regarding the method of transformation and the calculation of input voltage and current.

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Participants are actively exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly focusing on the voltage drop across the resistance cable and the equivalent load on the primary side. Some guidance has been provided regarding the transformation of resistances and the use of circuit analysis methods.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the application of power equations and the specifics of voltage distribution in the circuit. The original poster is translating the problem, which may introduce additional complexity in understanding the terminology.

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Homework Statement


I am working on the following problem:

And ideal single phase transformer 240V/2880V is supplied with a 240V source via a resistance cable of 3ohm. If we connect a R=720ohm resistance to this, determine the primary current and the dissipated power in R.
(I'm sorry if some of the wording is wrong, I am translating the question into English ... )

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I tried to find the current in 2 different ways, and came to 80A each time.
For the dissipated power, I am really not sure how to incorporate this 720ohm. I read in my notes that Power in = Power out, but I feel like this isn't the answer for this situation..
 

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Not sure I can follow your working. The voltage going into the transformer won't be 240V because some is lost across the 3R cable.

The way I would approach the problem is to "transform" the 720R load resistor to work out what the equivalent load would be on the primary side. Then use the potential divider method to work out the actual input voltage to the transformer.

Edit: If this is confusing start with a circuit diagram.
 
CWatters said:
Not sure I can follow your working. The voltage going into the transformer won't be 240V because some is lost across the 3R cable.

The way I would approach the problem is to "transform" the 720R load resistor to work out what the equivalent load would be on the primary side. Then use the potential divider method to work out the actual input voltage to the transformer.

Edit: If this is confusing start with a circuit diagram.
You mean transform it so everything is on the primary side ? Or how do I transform it ?
 
CWatters said:
Not sure I can follow your working. The voltage going into the transformer won't be 240V because some is lost across the 3R cable.

The way I would approach the problem is to "transform" the 720R load resistor to work out what the equivalent load would be on the primary side. Then use the potential divider method to work out the actual input voltage to the transformer.

Edit: If this is confusing start with a circuit diagram.
If I do this, I get an input voltage of 150V, which I then divide my 3ohm to get my current ?
 
Yes I mean transform it so everything is on the primary side. An example...

Lets say you had a 2:1 step down transformer with a 10R on the secondary side. That 10R would be equivalent to a 40R on the primary side...

Proof...

The secondary current Is = Vs/Rs. If N is the winding ratio the primary current Ip would be Is/N = Vs/NRs.

The equivalent resistance Rp on the primary side = Vp/Ip = Vp/(Vs/NRs) = N2Rs

If N = 2 and Rs = 10 then Rp = 40.
 
Cocoleia said:
If I do this, I get an input voltage of 150V, which I then divide my 3ohm to get my current ?

Yes the input voltage to the transformer is 150V but it's not across the 3R. The voltage across the 3R is 240-150V.
 
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CWatters said:
Yes the input voltage to the transformer is 150V but it's not across the 3R. The voltage across the 3R is 240-150V.
ah, I see.

would the power then be the secondary current multiplied by 720^2 ?
 
Not 720 squared

You can use Is2*R or Vs2/R
 
CWatters said:
Not 720 squared

You can use Is2*R or Vs2/R
Perfect, thank you !
 

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