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The discussion revolves around the rational function f(x)=6x^2/(x^2-2x-15). Participants are exploring various characteristics of the function, including intervals of increase and decrease, local maximum and minimum values, intervals of concavity, and points of inflection.

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  • Participants discuss the existence of horizontal and vertical asymptotes, as well as critical points derived from the first derivative. Questions arise regarding the relationship between local minimum and maximum values, particularly when the minimum has a higher y-value than the maximum.
  • There is a focus on the behavior of the function as graphed, with some participants suggesting adjustments to the graphing scale to better visualize features such as local minima.
  • Questions are raised about the values to consider for determining intervals of increase/decrease and concavity, particularly concerning points where the second derivative is undefined.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the behavior of the function. Some guidance has been offered on how to approach finding intervals of increase and decrease, as well as concavity, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of certain critical points.

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Homework Statement


Please state the following components of this rational function?
f(x)=6x^2/(x^2-2x-15)

-intervals of increase/decrease
-local maximum and minimum values
-intervals of concave up/concave down
-points of inflection

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


There is a horizontal asymptote at y=6.
There are vertical asymptotes at x=-3 and x=5
The first derivative is -12x(x+15)/(x^2-2x-15)^2
The second derivative is 12(2x^3+45x^2+225)/(x^2-2x-15)^3
According to the first derivative, the critical numbers would be -15, and 0.
After the first derivative test, I found out that a min. point occurs when x=-15 and a max. point occurs when x=0. However, I got (-15,5.625) and (0,0). How can the min. point have a larger y-value than the max. point?
Also, when I graphed this function on GraphCalc, it seems that there does not seem to be a minimum point at x=-15. Why is that?
When I graphed the function, there seems to be 3 branches; in the left, middle, and right. The left branch seems to go through the horizontal asymptote (y=6) but then it slowly approaches it from below y=6.
Please graph f(x)=6x^2/(x^2-2x-15) at http://math.ucalgary.ca/undergraduate/webwork/graphing-calculator to see what I am describing. I cannot justify why there would be a minimum at x=-15.
 
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What did you get for the derivative? The link you posted doesn't seem to have anything to do with this problem.

A local minimum point can have a larger y value than a local maximum point. Such points have smaller y values than all other points in some interval.
 
Mark44 said:
What did you get for the derivative? The link you posted doesn't seem to have anything to do with this problem.

A local minimum point can have a larger y value than a local maximum point. Such points have smaller y values than all other points in some interval.


Please take a look the edited information that I typed above in my first post.
I would appreciate it if you can help me out.
 
Cuisine123 said:

Homework Statement


Please state the following components of this rational function?
f(x)=6x^2/(x^2-2x-15)

-intervals of increase/decrease
-local maximum and minimum values
-intervals of concave up/concave down
-points of inflection


Homework Equations


N/A

The Attempt at a Solution


There is a horizontal asymptote at y=6.
There are vertical asymptotes at x=-3 and x=5
The first derivative is -12x(x+15)/(x^2-2x-15)^2
Everything is fine to here. I didn't check the 2nd derivative, though.
Cuisine123 said:
The second derivative is 12(2x^3+45x^2+225)/(x^2-2x-15)^3
According to the first derivative, the critical numbers would be -15, and 0.
After the first derivative test, I found out that a min. point occurs when x=-15 and a max. point occurs when x=0. However, I got (-15,5.625) and (0,0). How can the min. point have a larger y-value than the max. point?
These are the correct critical numbers. As noted in my other post, a local minimum point can have a larger y value than another local maximum point.
Cuisine123 said:
Also, when I graphed this function on GraphCalc, it seems that there does not seem to be a minimum point at x=-15. Why is that?
Change your scale and it will show up better. Going to the left from the y axis, the graph drops down to its local min point, and then gradually moves up the the hor. asymptote.
Cuisine123 said:
When I graphed the function, there seems to be 3 branches; in the left, middle, and right. The left branch seems to go through the horizontal asymptote (y=6) but then it slowly approaches it from below y=6.
Please graph f(x)=6x^2/(x^2-2x-15) at http://math.ucalgary.ca/undergraduate/webwork/graphing-calculator to see what I am describing. I cannot justify why there would be a minimum at x=-15.
 
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Mark44 said:
Everything is fine to here. I didn't check the 2nd derivative, though.
These are the correct critical numbers. As noted in my other post, a local minimum point can have a larger y value than another local maximum point.
Change your scale and it will show up better. Going to the left from the y axis, the graph drops down to its local min point, and then gradually moves up the the hor. asymptote.

Will I need to use the values of -15, -3, 0, and 5 for the chart to find intervals of increase and decrease?

Also, how do I find the intervals of concave up and concave down and the points of inflection?
The second derivative is 12(2x^3+45x^2+225)/(x^2-2x-15)^3. For what values of x do I test for in the 2nd derivative chart? Are -3 and 5 two numbers that I must include in this chart, since either one of them makes the second derivative undefined? Please help.
 
Cuisine123 said:
Will I need to use the values of -15, -3, 0, and 5 for the chart to find intervals of increase and decrease?
Yes.
Cuisine123 said:
Also, how do I find the intervals of concave up and concave down and the points of inflection?
Concave up - where y'' > 0. Concave down - where y'' < 0.
Cuisine123 said:
The second derivative is 12(2x^3+45x^2+225)/(x^2-2x-15)^3. For what values of x do I test for in the 2nd derivative chart? Are -3 and 5 two numbers that I must include in this chart, since either one of them makes the second derivative undefined? Please help.
Your intervals of concave up/concave down can't include x = -3 or x = 5, since the function is not defined there.
 

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