Damped and Forced Harmonic Motion

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to damped and forced harmonic motion, specifically analyzing forces acting on a system depicted in a diagram. Participants are attempting to understand the dynamics of the system, including the direction of forces and acceleration in relation to simple harmonic motion (SHM).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the direction of the resistive force and acceleration, with some suggesting that the resistive force should act in the direction opposite to motion. There is confusion regarding the application of SHM principles and how they relate to the forces depicted in the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants are expressing uncertainty about the correctness of the diagram and the equations provided. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made in the problem setup, with attempts to clarify the relationships between forces and motion. Guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of Newton's second law, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential errors in the problem statement and the diagram, which may affect their understanding. There is a concern about the accuracy of the equations and the representation of forces, leading to confusion in their analysis.

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Homework Statement


http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg812/scaled.php?server=812&filename=quesq.jpg&res=medium


Homework Equations


F = ma, F = -kx, SHM equations

The Attempt at a Solution



Here's the diagram they've done for part (b).

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg844/scaled.php?server=844&filename=ansr.jpg&res=medium

I'm not understanding why the 6mkv force is shown acting upwards; surely if the string is going to move up, and the water is a resistive force, then it would act downwards?

And why is the acceleration downwards? I thought it would accelerate towards the point where it reaches (x+e) where the particle would be at maximum velocity, or am I thinking of springs?

Thanks.
 
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Considering there's an obvious mistake in the equation given in part (b), I wouldn't put too much faith in there not being other obvious errors. You're right. For the situation described, the acceleration should be upward and the damping force, downward. Also, note that the figure shows x being the distance from the lower dotted line to some arbitrary depth below, but it should be from the dotted line to the location of P. The figure is a mess.
 
Okay, thanks. I thought I was going to have a mental breakdown.
 
I'm bumping this because the exam is getting closer and I'm still not sure about this. I don't think this is a mistake, and I'm perhaps just missing something crucial. Every question in the textbook has the resistive force acting in the direction of motion and acceleration (seemingly) pointing the opposite direction. Now I am confused.

-It's SHM, right? So acceleration acts towards the centre of motion which is UPWARDS.
-Resistive force should therefore be acting downwards.

Are the above two statements correct?

EDIT: I re-did the question, with acceleration upwards and resistive force downwards. Got a negative co-efficient for the 6k dx/dt (the m in their 'show that' question is an error, it should cancel). So the resistive force is causing the problem. Ugh. I can't get their equation no matter what I do.
 
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You originally asked about the drawing, which is indeed a mess. The equation, however, is fine, other than the extra m. What does Newton's second law tell you ##m\ddot{x}## is equal to?
 

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