Troubleshooting a DC Electric Motor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around troubleshooting a simple DC electric motor constructed using a battery, wire, and magnet. Participants explore various issues related to the motor's operation, including inconsistent spinning, battery performance, and the effectiveness of the components used.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports that the coil does not spin consistently, despite scraping insulation off the wires.
  • Another participant inquires whether the motor is moving at all and suggests providing a video demonstration.
  • Links to external resources are shared to assist with troubleshooting.
  • A participant mentions that the motor sometimes spins and questions whether prolonged spinning drains the battery.
  • One participant suggests using a commutator and a specific battery type, indicating that current needs to change direction for proper operation.
  • Another participant questions the effectiveness of the insulation removal as a commutator and emphasizes the importance of current flow when the battery leads touch the commutator.
  • There is a suggestion to ensure the batteries are fresh, as dead batteries can lead to operational issues.
  • A participant notes that the motor works with a large magnet but not with a smaller one, prompting questions about necessary changes for compatibility.
  • One participant requests a picture of the setup to provide more specific advice.
  • Images are shared that illustrate the motor design, with a participant explaining the principle of operation and the importance of the coil's orientation during spinning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses and troubleshooting steps, but there is no consensus on the exact cause of the motor's inconsistent performance. Multiple competing views and suggestions remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific configurations and conditions that may affect motor performance, such as the orientation of the coil and the type of magnet used, but these points remain unresolved.

Nano
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I am trying to make a simple electric (DC) motor using a battery (9V), wire, and magnet. For some reason the coil isn't spinning though. I scraped the entire insulation off one side, and half of the insulation off the other. Why isn't it working?
 
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Is it moving at all? Did you give it a kick start? Can you show us on youtube?
 
Well, sometimes it spins and sometimes it doesn't! I don't really know what's going on...
If it spins for too long, does it drain the battery?
 
I assume you are using a permanent magnet as the stator, and a dipole coil spining on an axle. You need to have a commutator on the axle so the current in the diplole coil changes twice per turn. The battery you use should be a 1.5 volt C or D cell. If possible, wind the battery wire about 5 turns around a compass in series with the motor to make sure current is flowing.
 
i'm using sandpaper take off the insulation on half of the wire on one side, and all the insulation off on the other side; doesn't this work as a commutator?
 
Nano said:
i'm using sandpaper take off the insulation on half of the wire on one side, and all the insulation off on the other side; doesn't this work as a commutator?
I have built a motor like yours. You have to make sure the current is flowing when the battery leads are both touching the commutator.
Also, the torque on the rotor is maximum when the dipole is at right angles to the magnetic field.
 
Are you sure the batteries are fresh? Try changing batteries and see if the execution improves. I've had it happen to me once, the apparatus was all perfect and I set up everything according to instructions...then I found out the batteries were half dead.
 
it works with a large magnet, but not with a small one. What do I have to change so that it works with the small one?
 
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It is very hard to give advise without knowing exactly what you have. Can you post a pic?
 
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Looking at the teachingphysics jpg, this motor works on the principle that current flows through the coil during less than half a turn, when it makes electrical contact with the heavy wire. All of the insulation should be cleaned off both ends of the small (coil) wire to ensure this. The motor also operates because the coil is slightly unbalanced so that the coil breaks contact with the heavy wire while it spins. Make sure that when the spinning coil comes to rest, the coil itself is vertical (lile this "l") and not like this( "--"). From the side, it should look like "--O--" and not "----". In motor terms, the magnetic axis of the spinning coil should be horizontal when it is conducting electricity.
 

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