De borgie relation and photon energy

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the de Broglie relation and photon energy, specifically how the equation energy(e) = mass(m) x speed of light(c) x velocity(v) can yield correct wavelength results for an electron. The user successfully calculated the wavelength of an electron using this equation and the photon energy formula e = hc/l, despite being told by their professor that photon energy is unrelated to electrons. There is confusion about whether this method constitutes a circular argument, as the professor dismissed the approach. The conversation also touches on the idea that the energy of any particle could be defined using wavelength, emphasizing the connection between momentum and wavelength. The discussion highlights the complexities of interpreting these fundamental physics equations.
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I was playing around with equations last night while waiting on a friend, when I thought I stumbled on something strange.

I came up with the equation energy(e) = mass(m) x speed of light(c) x velocity(v) from the de Borgie relation wavelength(l)= plank's constant (h)/mv and the formula for the photon's electromagnetic energy e= hc/l. I tried plugging in numbers to see if I can solve for the wavelength of an electron without using the de Borgie relation, and it worked.

If the electron travels at 3.65 x 10^6 and using the invariant mass of the electron, e= mcv would give 7.24 x 10^-16

Plugging in that number in e = hc/l would give the correct answer of 2.74 x 10^-10 even though, according to my professor, the photon energy is completely unrelated to the electron.

Upon showing it to the professor to inquire as why such method would give a correct answer, he quickly dismissed me and said I got the correct answer because I went in a circle.

Can someone explain to me how what I did was going in a circle?
 
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Aren't you simply using the de broglie relation in a different way?
 
Drakkith said:
Aren't you simply using the de broglie relation in a different way?

Wouldn't that be true only if e= hc/l is relevant for the electron? I have been told that the equation can only be used for the energy of a photon, and that the electron kinetic energy is something completely different.
 
siromar said:
Wouldn't that be true only if e= hc/l is relevant for the electron? I have been told that the equation can only be used for the energy of a photon, and that the electron kinetic energy is something completely different.

I believe the energy of any particle can be defined by using the wavelength. But don't quote me on that.
 
It's the momentum that's related to wavelength.
P=h/λ
 
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