Death is

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Death is...

  • Oblivion

    Votes: 66 32.4%
  • A Portal Mystery

    Votes: 6 2.9%
  • A Chance to Roam the Earth

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Another Chance at Reincarnation

    Votes: 3 1.5%
  • My Ticket to Nirvana

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • A Gateway to Heaven or Hell

    Votes: 18 8.8%
  • A Transition to Another Simulation

    Votes: 14 6.9%
  • A Bridge to Another Realm

    Votes: 14 6.9%
  • I Honestly Don't Know

    Votes: 55 27.0%
  • I Don't Know and I Don't Care

    Votes: 27 13.2%

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Main Question or Discussion Point

Option 11: I'd rather not think about it
Option 12: _________ (fill in the blank)

The options above influence our expectations of everlasting life in this world; those options that presume to hold any promise of life beyond death weaken the motivation to seek effective solutions to (1) optimal health, (2) "successful" aging, and (3) dramatic life and health extension. The assumption of oblivion after we die is, for many, a tough one to swallow. And yet, a belief or conviction in the value of life shaped by this assumption is much stronger for having been shaped by it. If you feel there's another option worthy of mention, please indicate it, but give us a sense of where you think you're going, or what you think will happen, when (or after) you die.

I saw a similar thread on another forum and most people were voting for "oblivion" which is not too surprising, seeing as that is the most natural response once would elicit from himself if he looks deep enough into the mystery...

Let's see how it stacks up here.
 

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is this a continuation of your "why am i here question"?
 
  • #3
I've chosen the option for 'The gateway to another realm' but I belive that we are not living in the reality in this world hence a gateway to the realm...
 
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option 12: I have an idea and i don't care.
 
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If you define death as cessation of brain activity then there is nothing after death. After death there is total blackness, just as before we were born. However i do believe in an afterlife. Reincarnation seems believable to me. The world isn't all science, science can't even explain some things such as what started the universe before the big bang and where the universe came from. The original particles couldn't have just been there. Matter can't come from nowhere, it must be created. So either God who is eternal created matter or it was always there so matter is eternal.
 
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The world isn't all science
What do you mean by that?
, science can't even explain some things such as what started the universe before the big bang and where the universe came from.
Well, the current models of the universe cannot explain this, no.

Why do you insist on pushing this "afterlife" theory of yours? There's a reason all your threads on it get deleted!
 
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Since this is a science forum, I'm surprised you didn't include the science answer: an end to life. As X-43D says, it is measured as from where brain activity stops.
 
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Lucky option 11: "other"
 
  • #9
Death is... Never having to say your sorry.

As an agnostic I lean towards the idea that worm food is what I will be when I die, no soul, no after life.

However it doesn't bother me, it simply teaches me to appreciate the life I have now and make the most of it, because this is the show, and there are no repeat performances :smile:

If anyone's interested in learning the absurdity of meaning of existence and the futility of religion in explaining life and how to cope with the pointlessness that is existence, they should read Camus: The Myth of Sysiphus

Great piece of philosophy, the atheists guide to life and death :smile:

I shall tell you a great secret, my friend. Do not wait for the last judgment, it takes place every day

If there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life.

Albert Camus
 
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Death is...

the Great Equalizer


(well, that's what Houdini told me the other day)
 
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Currently I hold that life, consciousness and self awareness changes its energy form when we die.
There's currently no agreed upon scientific theory that states that consciousness carries on or that there is something more after death, but I'm not one to say that this means something more than just that, but I'm open for suggestions.

In other words; oblivion.
 
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I would have voted oblivion- but that isn't possible according to the implications of the Quantum Immortality conjecture and the Simulation Hypothesis- as long as an organism is a finite construct of matter- no matter how complex- it must be archeologically reconstructed eventually in a multiverse or spatially infinite universe- http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0302131 - and artificial simulations must statistically outnumber 'natural'/accidental worlds http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html- [Broken] so I voted for transition to another simulation- although that is necissarily vague- you might as well say I don't know- except that non-existence is not logically possible unless an observer's state is not a physically realizable state of matter- but then there would be no observer in the first place
 
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Currently, oblivion. But I believe that if we are smart enough, we may be able to extend our intellectual life beyond our bilogical death. We have to figure out a lot about how the brain works, though, before we can try to figure out how to make "backups" of our individual brains, and how then to give those backups intellectual lifes of their own.

What was the science fiction book that talked about this? Dang, it's been forever since I read it. Don't think I finished it, actually.....
 
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What was the science fiction book that talked about this? Dang, it's been forever since I read it. Don't think I finished it, actually.....
nearly every book/story on this list deals with the many implications of uploading/copies/immortality/augemtation/etc: post singularity space opera
 
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nearly every book/story on this list deals with the many implications of uploading/copies/immortality/augemtation/etc: post singularity space opera
Hmmm. Interesting genre, but not what I was referring to. Now I'm going to have to go look for that book that I started.... :blushing:
 
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I am a careful agnostic, so I will say that I do not know. Believing in the certainty anything is faith; atheism is faith.
 
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Why isn't there a "scaring the hell out of me" option?
 
  • #18
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I am a careful agnostic, so I will say that I do not know. Believing in the certainty anything is faith; atheism is faith.
Atheism isn't faith. It's a term made up to label people that don't buy into religion or gods. For exmple, Joe believes invisible creatures roam the planet, I ignore Joe's belief, it doesn't take any faith to ignore something I don't care about.
 
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I am a careful agnostic, so I will say that I do not know. Believing in the certainty anything is faith; atheism is faith.
The general definition of agnosticism is that one is sure that 'one can never find out anything about the reality of x'. That, if anything, requires faith. Of course you can label it as 'weak agnosticism' which is basically 'I don't know right now'.
 
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Atheism isn't faith. It's a term made up to label people that don't buy into religion or gods. For exmple, Joe believes invisible creatures roam the planet, I ignore Joe's belief, it doesn't take any faith to ignore something I don't care about.
But an atheist asserts that deities do not exist. The atheist takes a position, just like the believer.
 
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The general definition of agnosticism is that one is sure that 'one can never find out anything about the reality of x'. That, if anything, requires faith. Of course you can label it as 'weak agnosticism' which is basically 'I don't know right now'.
I guess it's worth pointing out the nuance; I deem myself as one who dosen't know if any after-life exists nor if it is possible to know.
 
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But an atheist asserts that deities do not exist. The atheist takes a position, just like the believer.
Atheism is Not a Denial of 'God'

Atheism is the lack of faith in deities (or arbitrary thing x), not the denial of deities (or arbitrary thing x).

Just because I have a lack of taste in chocolate ice cream, does not mean that I embrace the taste of vanilla. I could have the lack of taste in both, I could say that I do not care about the flavor or that I like another flavor.
 
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But an atheist asserts that deities do not exist. The atheist takes a position, just like the believer.
Taking a position on something is not equivalent to having faith in it. Having faith in something generally refers to a belief either 'without evidence' or even 'in spite of evidence to the contrary'.

I don't believe in Odin, for lots of reasons. I find that the description of Odin, that is generally given, is so unlikely and so unsupportable, that I have no problem denying that he exits. Odin-belief is ridiculous. That doesn't take faith.... if its a matter of examining evidence and coming to a conclusion based on the evidence. This is an important distinction, because if new evidence was supplied to me, something so overwhelmingly in support of Odin's existense, then I would need to re-evaluate my position.

If I had faith in the non-existense of Odin, evidence, for or against, wouldn't matter even a bit.

Oh and death is... the last thing I ever want to do.
 
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Atheism is Not a Denial of 'God'

Atheism is the lack of faith in deities (or arbitrary thing x), not the denial of deities (or arbitrary thing x).

Just because I have a lack of taste in chocolate ice cream, does not mean that I embrace the taste of vanilla. I could have the lack of taste in both, I could say that I do not care about the flavor or that I like another flavor.
http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dict&freesearch=atheism&branch=13842570&textsearchtype=exact

According to the Oxford Dictionary, I am going along the correct definition.

Taking a position on something is not equivalent to having faith in it. Having faith in something generally refers to a belief either 'without evidence' or even 'in spite of evidence to the contrary'.

I don't believe in Odin, for lots of reasons. I find that the description of Odin, that is generally given, is so unlikely and so unsupportable, that I have no problem denying that he exits. Odin-belief is ridiculous. That doesn't take faith.... if its a matter of examining evidence and coming to a conclusion based on the evidence. This is an important distinction, because if new evidence was supplied to me, something so overwhelmingly in support of Odin's existense, then I would need to re-evaluate my position.

If I had faith in the non-existense of Odin, evidence, for or against, wouldn't matter even a bit.

Oh and death is... the last thing I ever want to do.
Disambiguation between faith and the taking of a position is not relevant here. What is relevant is that in many cases they are quite equivalent in terms of lack, or abundance thereof, support. For instance, if I were to invent a religion whose only assertion is God Exists, both acceptance and denial would be ultimately unjustifiable.
 
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Disambiguation between faith and the taking of a position is not relevant here. What is relevant is that in many cases they are quite equivalent in terms of lack, or abundance thereof, support. For instance, if I were to invent a religion whose only assertion is God Exists, both acceptance and denial would be ultimately unjustifiable.
Unless 'God exists' is a contradiction.

If all you say is that 'God exists', you are not really saying much of anything. What is a god? Which god? What makes him God? Where can you find this god? How do you know this is true?

I can say: "ewlfnavieiwfanfwelifwonwwfnaf exists". But to know if its true or not I would have to define it, and then, this is where you would need evidence, or faith.

If you said: "ewlfnavieiwfanfwelifwonwwfnaf exists", but refused to say more, or to justify your statement, its simply an unsubstantiated claim, with no worth, its either just sounds or scribbles.
 

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