Deciding if a transformation is a Lorentz transformation

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the transformation \(Y:(t,x,y,z)\rightarrow (t,x,-y,z)\) qualifies as a Lorentz transformation. Participants explore the mathematical properties that define Lorentz transformations, particularly focusing on the relationship involving the Minkowski metric.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants examine the condition that a Lorentz transformation must satisfy, questioning whether the transformation maintains the form of the Minkowski line element. There is also discussion about the implications of the transformation being a parity operator.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that the transformation satisfies the required condition for being a Lorentz transformation, while others raise questions about the correctness of the initial assertions. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches to verifying the transformation's properties.

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There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and properties of Lorentz transformations, with participants considering various mathematical aspects and implications of the transformation in question. The discussion acknowledges the complexity of verifying Lorentz invariance and the assumptions involved in the analysis.

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Homework Statement



Is the transformation ##Y:(t,x,y,z)\rightarrow (t,x,-y,z)## a Lorentz transformation? If so, why is it not considered with P and T as a discrete Lorentz transformation? If not, why not?

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A Lorentz transformation ##\Lambda## satisfies the relation ##\Lambda^{T}g\Lambda = \Lambda##, where ##g## is the Minkowski metric.

In our case, the transformation ##Y = \text{diag}(1,1,-1,1)##.

Therefore, ##Y^{T}gY = \text{diag}(1,1,-1,1) \cdot{\text{diag}(1,-1,-1,-1)}\cdot{\text{diag}(1,1,-1,1)} = \text{diag}(1,-1,-1,-1) =## the parity operator.

Therefore, the relation ##Y^{T}gY = Y## is not satisfied.

Therefore, ##Y## is not a Lorentz transformation.

Is my answer correct?
 
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failexam said:
A Lorentz transformation ##\Lambda## satisfies the relation ##\Lambda^{T}g\Lambda = \Lambda##, [...]
Are you sure about that? Are you sure it's not ##\Lambda^{T}g\Lambda = g## ? :wink:

Alternatively, you could just check whether the Minkowski line element ##ds^2 = t^2 - x^2 - y^2 - z^2## is preserved.
 
Oh, right! In that case, the transformation ##Y## satisfies ##Y^{T}gY=g##, so the transformation ##Y## is a Lorentz transformation.

Second way:

An inner product of Lorentz four-vectors is Lorentz invariant.

(A Lorentz four-vector ##V^{\mu}## is a four-vector which transforms under the Lorentz transformation ##{\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\nu}## with the transformation law ##V'^{\mu} = {\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\nu}V^{\nu}##.)

(A mathematical object (i.e. Lorentz scalar, Lorentz four-vector, Lorentz tensor and combinations thereof) is Lorentz invariant if it does not change under a Lorentz transformation. Not all mathematical objects are necessarily Lorentz invariant.)

The only four-vectors mentioned in the problem are the position four-vectors ##x^{\mu}## before and ##x'^{\mu}## after the transformation ##Y##.

We know that the position four-vector is a Lorentz four-vector, so the inner products ##x^{\mu}x_{\mu}## before and ##x'^{\mu}x'_{\mu}## after a Lorentz transformation must be equal to each other.

So, let's take the inner products ##x^{\mu}x_{\mu}## before and ##x'^{\mu}x'_{\mu}## after the transformation ##Y## and check if the product is invariant:

Before the transformation ##Y##, ##x^{\mu}x_{\mu}=g_{\mu\nu}x^{\mu}x^{\nu}=g_{00}x^{0}x^{0}+g_{11}x^{1}x^{1}+g_{22}x^{2}x^{2}+g_{33}x^{3}x^{3} = (x^{0})^{2}-(x^{1})^{2}-(x^{2})^{2}-(x^{3})^{2}=(t)^{2}-(x)^{2}-(y)^{2}-(z)^{2}##.

After the transformation ##Y##, ##x'^{\mu}x'_{\mu}=g_{\mu\nu}x'^{\mu}x'^{\nu}=g_{00}x'^{0}x'^{0}+g_{11}x'^{1}x'^{1}+g_{22}x'^{2}x'^{2}+g_{33}x'^{3}x'^{3} = (x'^{0})^{2}-(x'^{1})^{2}-(x'^{2})^{2}-(x'^{3})^{2}=(t)^{2}-(x)^{2}-(-y)^{2}-(z)^{2}=(t)^{2}-(x)^{2}-(y)^{2}-(z)^{2}##.

The inner products are the same under the transformation ##Y##, so the transformation ##Y## is a Lorentz transformation.Is my solution accurate?
 
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failexam said:
Second way:

An inner product of Lorentz four-vectors is Lorentz invariant.
Yes, but you don't need to do all that work if you realize that ##Y^T = Y^{-1}## for a Lorentz transformation (since this is true for all "SO(...)" transformations). Just write out the inner product in matrix notation...
 
So, do you mean that,

##x'^{\mu}x'_{\mu} = x'^{T}x' = (Yx)^{T}(Yx) = x^{T}Y^{T}Yx = x^{T}x##,

so that the inner product is invariant?
 
That's the general idea, but your details are not quite right. For arbitrary 4-vectors ##x,y## we have
$$y'^T g' x' ~=~ y^T Y^T \; g' \; Y y ~,$$ so if ##Y^T g' Y = g##, then the rhs is ##y^T g x##, showing that the inner product between 2 arbitrary 4-vectors is preserved.
 

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