Lorentz transformation of electric and magnetic fields

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of electric and magnetic fields under Lorentz transformations, specifically focusing on the tensor transformation law applied to the electromagnetic field tensor \( F_{\mu\nu} \). Participants are examining how the electric field \( \textbf{E} \) and magnetic field \( \textbf{B} \) transform under a rotation about the \( y \)-axis and a boost along the \( z \)-axis.

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  • Participants are exploring the application of the tensor transformation law and discussing the implications of the transformation matrices for rotations and boosts. There are questions about the correctness of the transformation expressions and the interpretation of the indices involved in the transformation.

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The conversation includes confirmations of correctness regarding the transformation matrices, along with expressions of uncertainty about how to interpret the resulting transformed electromagnetic tensor. Some participants are questioning the validity of their understanding of the tensor transformation law and its implications for the fields.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the use of inverse matrices in the context of Lorentz transformations, as well as the notation used for expressing these transformations. Participants are also considering the implications of the transformation on the zero entries of the original tensor and how that affects the transformed tensor.

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Homework Statement



Using the tensor transformation law applied to ##F_{\mu\nu}##, show how the electric and magnetic field ##3##-vectors ##\textbf{E}## and ##\textbf{B}## transform under

(a) a rotation about the ##y##-axis,
(b) a boost along the ##z##-axis.

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The tensor transformation law applied to ##F_{\mu\nu}## is the following:

##F_{\mu'\nu'}=\frac{\partial x^{\mu}}{\partial x^{\mu'}}\frac{\partial x^{\nu}}{\partial x^{\nu'}}F_{\mu\nu}={{(\Lambda^{-1})}_{\mu'}}^{\mu}{{(\Lambda^{-1})}_{\nu'}}^{\nu}F_{\mu\nu}={\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\mu'}{\Lambda^{\nu}}_{\nu'}F_{\mu\nu}##

(a) A rotation of angle ##\theta## about the ##y##-axis in the counterclockwise sense from the unprimed frame to the primed frame is specified by

##{\Lambda^{\mu'}}_{\mu}=
\left( \begin{array}{cccc}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & \text{cos}\ \theta & 0 & -\text{sin}\ \theta \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & \text{sin}\ \theta & 0 & \text{cos}\ \theta \end{array} \right)
##

Therefore, the same transformation of a rotation of angle ##\theta## about the ##y##-axis in the clockwise sense from the primed frame to the unprimed frame is given by

##{\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\mu'}=
\left( \begin{array}{cccc}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & \text{cos}\ (-\theta) & 0 & -\text{sin}\ (-\theta) \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & \text{sin}\ (-\theta) & 0 & \text{cos}\ (-\theta) \end{array} \right)=
\left( \begin{array}{cccc}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & \text{cos}\ \theta & 0 & \text{sin}\ \theta \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & -\text{sin}\ \theta & 0 & \text{cos}\ \theta \end{array} \right)
##

Have I made a mistake?
 
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Looks good.
 
Thanks!

So, we have ##F_{\mu'\nu'}={\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\mu'}{\Lambda^{\nu}}_{\nu'}F_{\mu\nu}##
##=
\left( \begin{array}{cccc}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & \text{cos}\ \theta & 0 & \text{sin}\ \theta \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & -\text{sin}\ \theta & 0 & \text{cos}\ \theta \end{array} \right)
\left( \begin{array}{cccc}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & \text{cos}\ \theta & 0 & \text{sin}\ \theta \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & -\text{sin}\ \theta & 0 & \text{cos}\ \theta \end{array} \right)
\left( \begin{array}{cccc}
0 & -E_{1} & -E_{2} & -E_{3} \\
E_{1} & 0 & -B_{3} & B_{2} \\
E_{2} & B_{3} & 0 & -B_{1} \\
E_{3} & -B_{2} & B_{1} & 0 \end{array} \right)=
\left( \begin{array}{cccc}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & \text{cos}^{2}\ \theta - \text{sin}^{2}\ \theta & 0 & 2\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \theta \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & -2\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \theta & 0 & \text{cos}^{2}\ \theta - \text{sin}^{2}\ \theta \end{array} \right)
\left( \begin{array}{cccc}
0 & -E_{1} & -E_{2} & -E_{3} \\
E_{1} & 0 & -B_{3} & B_{2} \\
E_{2} & B_{3} & 0 & -B_{1} \\
E_{3} & -B_{2} & B_{1} & 0 \end{array} \right)=
\left( \begin{array}{cccc}
1 & -E_{1} & -E_{2} & -E_{3} \\
E_{1}(\text{cos}^{2}\ \theta - \text{sin}^{2}\ \theta)+E_{3}(2\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \theta) & -2\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \theta\ B_{2} & -B_{3}(\text{cos}^{2}\ \theta - \text{sin}^{2}\ \theta)+(2\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \theta)B_{1} & (\text{cos}^{2}\ \theta - \text{sin}^{2}\ \theta)B_{2} \\
E_{2} & B_{3} & 0 & -B_{1} \\
E_{3}(\text{cos}^{2}\ \theta - \text{sin}^{2}\ \theta)-E_{1}(2\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \theta) & -(\text{cos}^{2}\ \theta - \text{sin}^{2}\ \theta)B_{2} & B_{1}(\text{cos}^{2}\ \theta - \text{sin}^{2}\ \theta)+B_{3}(2\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \theta) & -2\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \theta\ B_{2} \end{array} \right).##

I'm not really sure how to figure out the transformation of the ##\textbf{E}## and ##\textbf{B}## fields since the transformed electromagnetic strength tensor looks really weird. For example, there are non-zero-valued entries in ##F_{\mu'\nu'}## for zero-valued corresponding entries in ##F_{\mu\nu}##.
 
failexam said:
So, we have ##F_{\mu'\nu'}={\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\mu'}{\Lambda^{\nu}}_{\nu'}F_{\mu\nu}##
Due to the placement of the indices, this does not express the matrix multiplication ##\Lambda \Lambda F##.
 
Alright, then!

##F_{\mu'\nu'}={\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\mu'}{\Lambda^{\nu}}_{\nu'}F_{\mu\nu}={\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\mu'}F_{\mu\nu}{\Lambda^{\nu}}_{\nu'}={(\Lambda^{-1})_{\mu'}}^{\mu}F_{\mu\nu}{\Lambda^{\nu}}_{\nu'}##.

But, ##{(\Lambda^{-1})_{\mu'}}^{\mu}={\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\mu'}## is the same matrix as ##{\Lambda^{\nu}}_{\nu'}##, which is given by ##\Lambda^{-1}=
\left( \begin{array}{cccc}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & \text{cos}\ \theta & 0 & \text{sin}\ \theta \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & -\text{sin}\ \theta & 0 & \text{cos}\ \theta \end{array} \right)##.

So, ##F_{\mu'\nu'}={\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\mu'}{\Lambda^{\nu}}_{\nu'}F_{\mu\nu}## becomes ##\Lambda^{-1}F\Lambda^{-1}##?
 
##F_{\mu'\nu'}={\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\mu'}{\Lambda^{\nu}}_{\nu'}F_{\mu\nu}## becomes ##\Lambda^{-1}F\Lambda^{-1}##?
yes [edit: no, I believe one of the ##\Lambda##'s should not be an inverse.]
 
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Thanks!

On a different note, I've confused myself now over the correctness of the tensor transformation law

##F_{\mu'\nu'}=\frac{\partial x^{\mu}}{\partial x^{\mu'}}\frac{\partial x^{\nu}}{\partial x^{\nu'}}F_{\mu\nu}={{(\Lambda^{-1})}_{\mu'}}^{\mu}{{(\Lambda^{-1})}_{\nu'}}^{\nu}F_{\mu\nu}={\Lambda^{\mu}}_{\mu'}{\Lambda^{\nu}}_{\nu'}F_{\mu\nu}##.Consider the following:

##x^{\mu'}={\Lambda^{\mu'}}_{\nu}x^{\nu} \implies {(\Lambda^{-1})^{\rho}}_{\mu'}x^{\mu'}={(\Lambda^{-1})^{\rho}}_{\mu'}{\Lambda^{\mu'}}_{\nu}x^{\nu} \implies x^{\rho}={(\Lambda^{-1})^{\rho}}_{\mu'}x^{\mu'}##

so that

##\frac{\partial x^{\mu}}{\partial x^{\mu'}}={(\Lambda^{-1})^{\mu}}_{\mu'}##.

This contradicts with the order of the indices in my tensor transformation law. Where have I gone wrong exactly?
 
failexam said:
Consider the following:

##x^{\mu'}={\Lambda^{\mu'}}_{\nu}x^{\nu} \implies {(\Lambda^{-1})^{\rho}}_{\mu'}x^{\mu'}={(\Lambda^{-1})^{\rho}}_{\mu'}{\Lambda^{\mu'}}_{\nu}x^{\nu} \implies x^{\rho}={(\Lambda^{-1})^{\rho}}_{\mu'}x^{\mu'}##
{(\Lambda^{-1})^{\rho}}_{\mu'}x^{\mu'} \neq x^{\rho}
In fact, I would dispense with the use of \Lambda^{-1} altogether - the inverse can be succinctly obtained just by swapping the upper and lower (primed and unprimed) indices.
 
Fightfish said:
{(\Lambda^{-1})^{\rho}}_{\mu'}x^{\mu'} \neq x^{\rho}
In fact, I would dispense with the use of \Lambda^{-1} altogether - the inverse can be succinctly obtained just by swapping the upper and lower (primed and unprimed) indices.

Since ##{(\Lambda)^{\rho}}_{\mu'}## is the Lorentz transformation from the unprimed to the primed coordinates, does ##{(\Lambda^{-1})^{\rho}}_{\mu'}## represent the Lorentz transformation from the primed to the unprimed coordinates?Also, how may I derive the relation ##\frac{\partial x^{\mu}}{\partial x^{\mu'}}={(\Lambda^{-1})_{\mu'}}^{\mu}## and then show that ##{(\Lambda^{-1})_{\mu'}}^{\mu}={(\Lambda)^{\mu}}_{\mu'}##?
 
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failexam said:
and then show that ##{(\Lambda^{-1})_{\mu'}}^{\mu}={(\Lambda)^{\mu}}_{\mu'}##?
This is very strange notation - why should they be equal? Usually when I see people explicitly using ##\Lambda^{-1}##, it is because they do not have primes on the indices, and hence they need the explicit inverse written there to indicate the 'direction' of the transform. When your indices are already primed, there is no longer any ambiguity, so the usage of ##\Lambda^{-1}## doesn't make much sense.
 

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