Defining a Wave with Amplitude 'A' and Velocity 'v

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around defining a wave characterized by an amplitude 'A' and a velocity 'v', particularly focusing on a scenario where the amplitude increases from zero to a maximum value at a specific position over time. Participants explore whether a continuous mathematical function can represent this type of wave, which resembles a propagating step function.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a wave that starts with zero amplitude and progresses to a maximum amplitude of 'A' at position x=0 over time, presenting discrete data points for various times.
  • Another participant suggests that if the ramp-up of the wave is much faster than the wave velocity, it may lead to a discontinuous wave, likening it to a propagating step function.
  • A later reply confirms that under certain conditions, the wave can be defined as a discontinuous function, specifically a step function, and proposes a mathematical representation of the wave equation.
  • There is a suggestion that if a continuous function is required, the formulation would need to be adjusted to allow for a continuous but rapid ramp-up of amplitude.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the wave can be represented as a continuous function or if it inherently leads to a discontinuous representation, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best mathematical model for this wave.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the speed of the ramp-up relative to the wave velocity, which affects the continuity of the wave function. There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific formulation of a continuous function that meets the described criteria.

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Hi

I have a case where a wave with an amplitute 'A' progresses with a particular velocity 'v'. The wave is such that the amplitude at x=0 increases to particular value and stays there for the entire time

some thing like below.


at time(t)=0
x(position) = 0,0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1
y(Amplitude) =1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

at t=1
x= 0,0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1
y=1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

at t=2
x= 0,0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1
y=1,1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

at t=3
x= 0,0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1
y=1,1,1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0

and so on...until for all of x values, y = 1

This is for discrete points. Is there any continuous function for this kind of wave?

Can you define this wave using a equation or a mathematical function? How do you call this wave? Anyone kindly help me with it. I am expecting a function with variables such as y= f(A,v,x,t).

Thanks :)
 
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Unless the ramp-up for the wave is much faster than the wave velocity (which means your spatial sampling is insufficient), then this is going to be a discontinuous wave. Just looks like a propagating step function to me.
 
Thanks Born2bwire. If the ramp up is almost instantaneous, then just the front of the wave will be moving at a particular velocity. At a particular x, at one discrete time y=0 and the next discrete time y=1

If it helps, I have attached a graph of the progressing wave.
 

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Under those conditions then you will have a discontinuous function, the step function. For your case we can simply define it as

f(x) = 1 if x<= 0; 0 else

So then the wave equation would be y=A*f(x-v*t), where the velocity v here is .1 units of distance per units of time.

If you require a continuous function though, we would have to reformulate f(x-v*t) to be a function with a continuous, but fast ramp up.
 

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