Definition of a symmetric connection

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The discussion centers on the definition and implications of a symmetric connection in differential geometry, particularly in the context of torsion and covariant derivatives. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and significance of symmetry in connections, as well as the relationship between torsion and the closure of parallelograms defined by vector fields.

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  • One participant defines a symmetric connection using the equation \nabla_v w - \nabla_w v = [v,w] and questions the significance of this symmetry.
  • Another participant argues that the equation indicates the vanishing of torsion and explains that the failure of small parallelograms to close is attributed to the commutation of vector fields.
  • A further contribution elaborates on the relationship between covariant derivatives and torsion, noting that the symmetry of the connection is linked to the condition that the torsion tensor vanishes.
  • This participant also provides a mathematical derivation showing how the torsion tensor relates to the connection coefficients, emphasizing that a torsion-free connection implies symmetry.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the explanations and indicates a desire to further explore the topic.

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Participants present differing views on the implications and interpretations of symmetry in connections, particularly regarding the role of torsion. While some agree on the mathematical relationships, the discussion remains unresolved on the broader implications of these concepts.

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The discussion involves complex mathematical concepts, including the properties of covariant derivatives and the torsion tensor, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully explored in the thread.

Angelos K
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Hi, all,

According to my script, a connection [tex]\nabla_v[/tex] is symmetric if the following holds (I assume for every pair of vectors):

[tex]\nabla_v w - \nabla_w v =[v,w][/tex]

What is the idea behind that? Why are we interested in that kind of symmetry (not for instance 0 instead of the commutator)?

Thanks for any advice!
Angelos
 
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First of all, you can't set the RHS to zero, because it is impossible for that to hold for all vector fields v, w.

This equation simply states that the torsion vanishes.

If we travel around a small parallelogram whose sides are geodesics, our intuition says that we ought to end up where we started. If a parallelogram does fail to close, we attribute that to the failure of the vector fields defining its sides to commute; and the remaining gap is given by the commutator.

In the presence of torsion, this does not hold. Small parallelograms may fail to close even if the vector fields commute! The torsion gives this additional gap.

Your equation expresses the idea that the failure of any parallelograms to close is due precisely to the failure of the vector fields to commute, and that there is no additional gap we need to account for.
 
Angelos K said:
Hi, all,

According to my script, a connection [tex]\nabla_v[/tex] is symmetric if the following holds (I assume for every pair of vectors):

[tex]\nabla_v w - \nabla_w v =[v,w][/tex]

What is the idea behind that? Why are we interested in that kind of symmetry (not for instance 0 instead of the commutator)?

Thanks for any advice!
Angelos

Suppose that [tex]L[/tex] is a smooth scalar field then from basic calculus you remember that clearly [tex]\partial_a\partial_b L=\partial_b\partial_a L[/tex]. But it is necessary to note that this doesn't follow when the ordinary derivatives are replaced by the covariant derivatives. To wit, [tex]\nabla_a\nabla_b L[/tex] and [tex]\nabla_b\nabla_a L[/tex] are not equivalent generally. The reason is that you can simply show there is a tensor [tex]T_{ab}^c[/tex] known as the torsion tensor such that for any scalar field of class [tex]C^\infty[/tex] we have

[tex](\nabla_a\nabla_b -\nabla_b\nabla_a) L=T^c_{ab}\nabla_c L.[/tex]

If [tex]T^c_{ab}=0[/tex], then the connection is said to be torsion-free (torsionless) and obviously it follows that the connection is symmetric because

[tex]\nabla_a\nabla_b L=\nabla_b\nabla_a L.[/tex]

But how does this imply a symmetry of connection in two lower indices? Let us calculate the torsion [tex]T^c_{ab}[/tex] in terms of the connection [tex]\Gamma^c_{ab}[/tex]. Recalling that [tex]\nabla_a U_b=\partial_a U_b -\Gamma^c_{ab} U_c[/tex] for any covariant vector field [tex]U_b[/tex]. Hence if one sets [tex]U_b=\nabla_b L=\partial_b L[/tex], we get

[tex]\nabla_a\nabla_b L=\partial_a \partial_b L -\Gamma^c_{ba} \partial_c L ,[/tex]

and

[tex]\nabla_b\nabla_a L=\partial_b \partial_a L -\Gamma^c_{ab} \partial_c L .[/tex]

By subtracting the first from the second we obtain

[tex](\nabla_b\nabla_a -\nabla_b \nabla_a )L =T^c_{ab}\nabla_c L ,[/tex]

where

[tex]T^c_{ab}=-2\Gamma^c_{[ab]} .[/tex]

You must know that the difference of two connections is always a tensor, so is the torsion. Therefore a torsion-free spacetime has this property that its connection is symmetric.

AB
 
thanks!

Thank you so much both, that really helped, I'm starting to get the idea.

I'll sit down right now and calculate a couple of things about it.

@AB Thanks for mentioning the Christoffel-property. It seems that they use it a lot!
 

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