Definition of Heisenberg Hamiltonian

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The discussion centers around the definition of the Heisenberg Hamiltonian, exploring various formulations and interpretations within the context of quantum mechanics. Participants examine different expressions for the Hamiltonian and their implications, as well as the underlying concepts related to matrix mechanics and quantum theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants present multiple definitions of the Heisenberg Hamiltonian, noting variations in the prefactor and sign, which may depend on conventions used in different sources.
  • One participant suggests that the Hamiltonian relates to matrix mechanics and involves operations such as inversion and complex conjugation, though this view is challenged by others.
  • Another participant clarifies that the differences in prefactors (±2) are conventions that relate to whether the coupling constant is positive or negative, depending on the magnetic system being considered.
  • It is mentioned that the factor of 2 (or ½) arises from the method of summing over pairs of sites, with some approaches potentially overcounting interactions.
  • A participant expresses a desire for a more verbal explanation of the Heisenberg Hamiltonian's meaning.
  • One participant provides a basic definition of the Hamiltonian as the total kinetic and potential energy of a quantum system.
  • A later reply describes the Heisenberg Hamiltonian as an effective model for interacting spins on a lattice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the definitions and interpretations of the Heisenberg Hamiltonian. While some acknowledge the variations in expression as a matter of convention, others challenge specific interpretations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on certain points.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the choice of prefactor and sign can depend on the specific context of the magnetic system being analyzed, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the conventions used in different formulations.

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I have a question. What is the definition of Heisenberg hamiltonian?

\hat{H}=-\sum_{i,j}J_{i,j}\hat{\bfs{S}}_i\cdot \hat{\bfs{S}}_j

or

\hat{H}=-2\sum_{i,j}J_{i,j}\hat{\bfs{S}}_i\cdot \hat{\bfs{S}}_j

or

\hat{H}=\sum_{i,j}J_{i,j}\hat{\bfs{S}}_i\cdot \hat{\bfs{S}}_j

or

\hat{H}=2\sum_{i,j}J_{i,j}\hat{\bfs{S}}_i\cdot \hat{\bfs{S}}_j

You have all variation in different sources.
 
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I don't think that I have the whole answer, but I believe that it has to do with matrix mechanics which Heisenberg used to describe quantum theory. I think that it means that the rows and columns of the matrix have been inverted, and that the complex conjugate has been taken. I believe that this is known as the hamiltonian process in matrix math.
 
@Forestman, I really don't think so!

@Petar Mail, all of them are Heisenberg Hamiltonians and the factors in front \pm 2 are just a matter of convention. But the sign can origin from the fact that the coupling constant can be positive or negative, depending on you have a anti-ferromagnetic or ferromagnetic system. The sign can be included in order to keep J_{ij} positive.

The factor of 2 (sometimes \frac 12, depending on convention) can origin from the fact that some people sum over each pair of sites (ij) once, while others prefer to sum over all sites individually. The last option over counts and a factor of 2 (or \frac 12, depending on which side you want to put it in) must be included.

In the end, you could put in any factor which is convinient, you just have to redefine J_{ij} afterwards.
 
Oh okay, thanks for correcting me.

I am new to the math of quantum physics. I am currently in the process of teaching myself calculus.
 
If anyone could tell me in completely verbal terms I would like to know more about what the Heisenberg hamiltonian really means.
 
Most of you probably already know this, but I post this for those who do not. Since I did not understand the Hamiltonian concept I looked it up for myself, and it just means the total kinetic and potential energy of a quantum system.
 
Forestman, the Heisenberg Hamiltonian is an effective model for interacting (three-dimensional) spins on a lattice.

The Atomic, Solid State, Comp. Physics forum is a forum for people with specific questions about solid state physics and related topics. If you have questions about basic quantum or classical physics (like what a Hamiltonian is) I would direct you to the classical physics and quantum physics forums.
 
Thank you for answering that for me kanato.

I will make sure to use the other forums next time.
 

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