Dereive an expression for an isobaric/isothermal change in entropy

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The discussion focuses on deriving expressions for entropy changes in a Van der Waals gas during isobaric and isothermal processes. The initial derivation for isobaric change results in an expression for entropy change, dS, which incorporates molar internal energy and the PV relationship. Participants note the importance of integrating dS correctly to find the total change in entropy, ΔS, and point out discrepancies related to the ideal gas law assumptions. An alternative derivation is presented, emphasizing the Van der Waals equation without ideal gas law substitutions. The conversation concludes with a request for validation of the derived expressions and their accuracy.
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I already dereived the following expressions for the Van der Waals gas:
molar energy:
U=3RT - \frac{aP}{RT}
and the expression for the PV, where V is the molar volume:
PV= RT +(b - \frac {a}{RT})P
Using these and the central equation,
TdS = dU + PdV

i am to dereive an expression for dS in two cases:
1) as the substance undergoes an isobaric change from temperature T_{i} to T_{f} at pressure P.
2) as the substance undergoes an isothermal change from pressure P_{i} to P_{f} at temperature T.
 
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trelek2 said:
Using these and the central equation,
TdS = dU + PdV

i am to dereive an expression for dS in two cases:
1) as the substance undergoes an isobaric change from temperature T_{i} to T_{f} at pressure P.
2) as the substance undergoes an isothermal change from pressure P_{i} to P_{f} at temperature T.

Okay; and your attempt at a solution is...?
 
On the example of the isobaric:
dS = \frac {dU}{T}+\frac{P}{T}dV
using the expression for the molar internal energy:
dU = 3RdT+ \frac {aP}{RT^{2}}dT - \frac {a}{RT}dP
and using the expression for the PV product:
V= \frac {RT}{P} +b - \frac{a}{RT}
then dV=\frac {R}{P}dT+ \frac{a}{RT^{2}}dT- \frac{RT}{P^{2}}dP
Substituting into dS (taking dP=0):
dS= 4R \frac{dT}{T}+\frac {2aPdT}{RT^{3}}
and integrating:
dS=4Rln( \frac{T_{f}}{T_{i}})+ \frac {aP}{R(T_{i}-T_{f})}
I have no idea whether this is correct though...
 
trelek2 said:
On the example of the isobaric:
dS = \frac {dU}{T}+\frac{P}{T}dV
using the expression for the molar internal energy:
dU = 3RdT+ \frac {aP}{RT^{2}}dT - \frac {a}{RT}dP
and using the expression for the PV product:
V= \frac {RT}{P} +b - \frac{a}{RT}
then dV=\frac {R}{P}dT+ \frac{a}{RT^{2}}dT- \frac{RT}{P^{2}}dP
Substituting into dS (taking dP=0):
dS= 4R \frac{dT}{T}+\frac {2aPdT}{RT^{3}}

Looks good so far!:approve:

and integrating:
dS=4Rln( \frac{T_{f}}{T_{i}})+ \frac {aP}{R(T_{i}-T_{f})}
I have no idea whether this is correct though...

When you integrate dS from the initial state to the final state, you get \Delta S\equiv S_f-S_i, not dS.
 
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I found slightly a different equation for the van-der-Waals gas. Also in many places you seem to introduce the ideal gas law for a moment. That's where little differences come from, but maybe the difference isn't big though.

The van-der-Waals equation as I found it is
<br /> \left(p+\frac{a}{V^2}\right)(V-b)=RT<br />
In any case for a van-der-Waals gas the energy is
<br /> U=f(T)-\frac{a}{V}<br />
You have assumed that f(T)=3RT, which is strictly speaking an addition to the van-der-Waals equation, but probably justified.

Now
<br /> T\mathrm{d}S=\mathrm{d}U+p\mathdm{d}V<br /> =f&#039;\mathrm{d}T+\frac{a}{V^2}\mathrm{d}V+p\mathrm{d}V<br /> =f&#039;\mathrm{d}T+\frac{RT}{V-b}\mathrm{d}V<br />
so
<br /> \mathrm{d}S=f&#039;\frac{\mathrm{d}T}{T}+\frac{R\mathrm{d}V}{V-b}<br />
<br /> \Delta S=\int \frac{\mathrm{d}f}{T}+R\ln\left|\frac{V_1-b}{V_0-b}\right|<br />
With your assumption f(T)=3RT this gives
<br /> \Delta S=3R\ln\frac{T_1}{T_0}+R\ln\left(\frac{V_1-b}{V_0-b}\right)<br />
Anyone agrees if that is OK? This derivation has not made the ideal gas law substitutions pV=RT that seem to be in your calculation.
 
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http://theory.phy.umist.ac.uk/~judith/stat_therm/node51.html
 
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