Derivation notation with capital D?

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The discussion revolves around the notation of derivation represented by ##\frac{Ds}{\mathrm{d}\tau}## in the context of four-vectors and General Relativity. Participants explore the significance and interpretation of this notation, particularly in relation to covariant derivatives and gyroscopic precession.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of the notation ##\frac{Ds}{\mathrm{d}\tau}##, noting that while ##Ds## can refer to the Jacobian, its specific use in this context is unclear.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for context, suggesting that the source of the notation should clarify its meaning.
  • A participant mentions that the notation appears in a General Relativity script but is not defined within the text, leading to confusion about its application.
  • One participant suggests that the notation is a formatting error, as it is introduced later in the text.
  • Contrarily, another participant asserts that it is not a formatting error and describes it as a standard notation for the induced connection, providing a specific formulation involving the induced Levi-Civita connection.

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Participants express differing views on whether the notation is a formatting error or a standard notation. There is no consensus on its meaning or application, indicating ongoing uncertainty.

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The discussion highlights the lack of clarity in the introduction of notation within the text and the potential for varying interpretations of derivation notation in different contexts.

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Hi, I came across a derivation notation I didn't recognize:
Let ##s## be some four-vector and ##\tau## the proper time. What is the significance of
$$\frac{Ds}{\mathrm{d}\tau}?$$

I know ##Ds## can be used to mean the Jacobian, but I've never come across the notation above. Does someone recognize it?
 
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Where did you come across this notation? It should be explained there what is meant by the notation. If we cannot see the text we are just stabbing in the dark.
 
I came across this notation in one of my General Relativity scripts, but I checked the entire text before posting and this notation is not introduced in the script. I guess the author believes the notation is commonplace enough not to need an introduction. The only time ##D_X## was used in the context of derivations was in a prove for the linearity of covariant derivatives as an alternative symbol for ##\nabla_x##.

However, ##D## really doesn't make sense in the context of a covariant derivative here, as I wouldn't know what the operator ##\frac{D}{\mathrm{d}\tau}## means?

Specifically, the above notations appears in a chapter about Gyroscopic Precession:
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Ah ok, the notation is introduced three pages further down... I guess this is a just a formatting error of the author

Thanks for the help, though!
 
It is not a formatting error. It is a somewhat standard notation for the induced connection.
 
martinbn said:
It is not a formatting error. It is a somewhat standard notation for the induced connection.
Just to be a bit more specific; the derivative along a curve ##\gamma## with respect to the curve parameter, i.e.,
$$
\frac{Ds}{d\tau} = \nabla_{\dot\gamma} s = \dot x^\mu \nabla_\mu s,
$$
for the induced Levi-Civita connection.
 

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