Derivation of energy stored in a capacitor

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The discussion centers on the derivation of the energy stored in a capacitor, exploring various approaches and equations related to this concept. Participants examine the relationship between charge, capacitance, and potential difference, as well as the role of the electric field in energy storage.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the inclusion of the differential charge element dq in the derivation of work done to charge a capacitor, suggesting it seems arbitrary.
  • Another participant introduces the formula for energy stored in an electric field, indicating a more complex perspective on energy storage.
  • A participant expresses a desire to understand the basic equation for energy stored in a capacitor, specifically E = 0.5 CV² or E = 0.5 Q²/C.
  • There is a discussion about how the work required to move a charge through a potential difference changes as the voltage varies with accumulated charge, emphasizing the need for incremental work calculations.
  • One participant argues that energy is stored in the electric field rather than the capacitor itself, suggesting that many derivations overlook this abstract viewpoint.
  • A detailed derivation is provided involving the uniform electric field between capacitor plates, leading to a formula for energy that applies to capacitors of any geometry.

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Participants express differing views on the derivation process and the conceptual understanding of energy storage in capacitors. There is no consensus on the best approach or interpretation of the concepts discussed.

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Some participants highlight the complexity of the electric field's role in energy storage, while others focus on the basic equations related to capacitors. The discussion includes varying levels of abstraction and technical detail, which may affect understanding.

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Trying to understand the derivation of energy stored in a capacitor:

The energy (measured in Joules) stored in a capacitor is equal to the work done to charge it. Consider a capacitance C, holding a charge +q on one plate and -q on the other. Moving a small element of charge dq from one plate to the other against the potential difference V = q/C requires the work dW:

dW = q/ C dq

where

W is the work measured in joules

q is the charge measured in coulombs

C is the capacitance, measured in farads


The dq doesn't seem to fit for me. It just seems as if someone put it there for the derivation to work and their is no basis for it being there.
 
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Are you used to the formula of the energy stored in an electirc field

W = \frac{\varepsilon_0}{2} \int \limits_\mathcal{V} \mathrm dr^3 ~ \vec E^{\, 2}(\vec r)​

?
 
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Thats a bit complex.
Im trying to understand the derivation for basic equation of energy stored in a capacitor.
E = 0.5 CV^2
or E = 0.5 Q^2/C
 
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gutti said:
The dq doesn't seem to fit for me. It just seems as if someone put it there for the derivation to work and their is no basis for it being there.
Do you understand how to find the work required to move a charge through a potential difference? Since the voltage changes as the charge accumulates you need to look at the increment of work, dW = Vdq. (If the voltage were constant, the work would simply equal VQ.)
 
Maybe you know that the electric field is crucial for your consideration!?

I know that's slightly abstract, but the energy is not stored in the capacitor itself. It is stored in the electric field (only the sources and sinks of the electric field are located on the capacitor's plates).

In my opinion all other derivations want to bypass this abstract point of view.


But you have luck, that the equation i have stated is easy to compute in the case you have mentioned!
You know that in the plate capacitor there is a uniform electric field (doesn't depend on the position within the plates), so we can write the expression as


W = \frac{\varepsilon_0}{2} \, \vec E^2 \, \int \limits_\mathcal{V} ~ \mathrm dr^3​

(by the way, i think W is a much better designation for the energy than E, I'm sorry for that).
The volume of the plate capacitor is


V = \int \limits_\mathcal{V} ~ \mathrm dr^3 = A \cdot d​

and the magnitude of the electric field is


|\vec E| = \frac{V}{d}​

this applied to the formula stated above yields


W = \frac{\varepsilon_0}{2} \, \Bigl(\frac{V}{d}\Bigr)^2 \, A \cdot d = \frac{1}{2} \, V^2 ~ \varepsilon_0 \cdot \frac{A}{d} = \frac{1}{2} V^2 C​

The last term is actually valid for all capacitors of any geometry.

I hope, I've teased you!?

with best regars
 

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