Energy of parallel plate capacitor

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the energy stored in a parallel plate capacitor, exploring different methods of deriving the energy expression using work done and integration of charge density and potential. Participants analyze the implications of varying potential during the charging process and the correct application of equations from electrodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One method for calculating energy involves integrating the work done in bringing charge dq from infinity to the capacitor, leading to an expression of W = (1/2)Q²/C.
  • Another method references an equation from Griffith's text, suggesting W = (1/4)(Q²/C), which some participants challenge as being incorrectly applied.
  • Some participants argue that the integration of ρV over the volume does not account for the changing potential as charge is added, asserting that V is not constant during the charging process.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between the final potential V and the instantaneous potential v during the charging process, with suggestions that this distinction clarifies the factor of 1/2 in the energy calculation.

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Participants express differing views on the correct application of the equations and the assumptions regarding the constancy of potential during charging. No consensus is reached on which method is definitively correct.

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Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between the final potential and the instantaneous potential during the charging of the capacitor, indicating that assumptions about constancy may lead to different interpretations of the equations involved.

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Energy of a parallel plate capacitor with charge Q and potential difference V can be calculated in two ways:
1)Work done in bringing charge dq from infinty to the capacitor when there is potential V= q/C on the positive plate and V= 0 on the negative plate is dW = (q/C)dq
integrrating from 0 to Q gives W = (1/2)Q2/C

2)Using eqn.(2.43) of Griffith's Introduction to electrodynamics , 3 ed.,
W= ## \frac 1 2\int_Γ ρV \, dΓ =\frac 1 2 \int_{q=0}^Q V \, dq = \frac 1 2 \int \frac q C \, dq = \frac 1 2 \frac {Q^2} {2C} = \frac 1 4 \frac {Q^2} {C}##,
where Γ is the volume over which the integration has to be done
How to decide which method is right?
Can anyone tell me why there is a factor of (1/2) in the above equation?

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You are applying 2.43 wrongly. It is not considering adding charge to the capacitor, and changing V; it is considering the fully charged state, and integrating ρV over the volume. Therefore ∫ρVdΓ is not equal to ∫Vdq; q is constant. Assuming V is constant over the volume, ∫ρVdΓ = QV = Q2/C, so W is the same as for method 1.
 
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Thanks for reply,
mjc123 said:
Assuming V is constant over the volume, ∫ρVdΓ = QV = Q2/C, so W is the same as for method 1.
V is not constant over the volume.It is E which is constant.
dW = ρV dΓ is the work done by me when I bring a charge dq = ρ dΓ from a point where potential is zero to the point where potential is V.
In case of a capacitor, I am bringing a charge dq from negative plate where potential is V= q/C, where q is charge of the capacitor at this time.
Hence, ρV dΓ = q/C dq .
What is wrong with this argument?

According to what you said is,
ρ = Qδ(y)δ(z)[ δ(x-d) - δ(x)],
where the positive plate is at (d,0,0) and negative plate is (0,0,0).
Now
##\frac 1 2\int_Γ ρV \, dΓ =\frac 1 2 \int_Γ Qδ(y)δ(z)[ δ(x-d) - δ(x)] V \, d Γ= \frac 1 2 QV##
 
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Integrating over the volume (where ρ and V are the final charge density and potential) is not equivalent to integrating over the charge as you charge up. (And V is constant over the volume of a conductor, E is zero.)
Pushoam said:
In case of a capacitor, I am bringing a charge dq from negative plate where potential is V= q/C, where q is charge of the capacitor at this time.
Hence, ρV dΓ = q/C dq .
What is wrong with this argument?
I think what is wrong with it is that V varies with q during charging. But V is constant (the final potential) in 2.43. Perhaps it would be clearer if you used, say, v and V analogously to q and Q. So V = Q/C is the final potential at final charge Q, and v = q/C is the instantaneous potential at charge level q. Hence your equation would be ρv dΓ = q/C dq, whereas the integral in 2.43 is ρV dΓ, which is not the same thing. The factor of 1/2 arises in exactly the same way as in method 1, where ∫v(q)dq = 1/2 QV. Since ∫ρdΓ = Q, W = 1/2 ∫ρVdΓ.
 
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Now, I got it.
Thank you.
I was mistaking V for v.
 

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