Derivation of f(x)=xcos(sen(x)) – 1

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the function f(x) = xcos(sin(x)) - 1, specifically seeking the first and second derivatives. Participants are exploring the nature of the function and the appropriate rules for differentiation.

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  • Participants discuss the use of the product rule and chain rule for differentiation. There is also a question regarding the correct interpretation of "sen(x)" and whether it was intended to be "sec(x)" or "sin(x)". Some participants express concerns about terminology related to differentiation.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of the function and its components. While some participants offer guidance on differentiation techniques, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answers. The discussion remains open for further exploration.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the terminology used for differentiation, with one participant correcting another on the use of "derivating". Additionally, one participant mentions having solved the problem independently, but the topic remains active for the benefit of others.

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Hi Could someone help me derivating this function:

f(x)=xcos(sen(x)) – 1
f'(x)= ?
f''(x)= ?

Thank you.
 
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schmitt said:
Hi Could someone help me derivating this function:

f(x)=xcos(sen(x)) – 1
f'(x)= ?
f''(x)= ?

Thank you.

What kind of function is sen(x)?
Or did you mean sec(x)?
 
If that sen(x) is indeed a sec(x) then just use the product rule between x and cos(sec(x)). The -1 becomes 0. When you get the new function derive it again and you'll have f''(x).

You might be asking for the answer in which case I won't be giving you because you'll never learn it yourself.

Woops. Just realized that mistake I made. That was embarrassing.
 
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I like Serena said:
What kind of function is sen(x)?
Or did you mean sec(x)?

sorry, its "sin(x)"
 
You are going to need to use the product rule and the chain rule, in that order.

BTW, there is no such word as "derivating" in English, and I doubt that it is a word in any other language. To find the derivative of a function, we differentiate the function - we don't "derivate" it or "derive" it.

Starting with ax2 + bx + c = 0, I can derive the Quadratic Formula, but this has nothing to do with differentiation.
 
Got it solved already, sorry for the bad english.
Topic can be deleted.
 
We don't delete the topics so that other people with similar questions can learn from them.
 

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