Derivative by Leibniz's integral rule

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The discussion revolves around the application of Leibniz's integral rule to the functions \(\tau(x,y)\), \(T(x,y)\), and \(R(T)\). Participants explore the implications of differentiating \(\tau\) with respect to \(x\) and the conditions under which certain derivatives may or may not be zero. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of calculus, particularly in the context of integral differentiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that by Leibniz's integral rule, the derivative \(\frac{\partial \tau}{\partial x}\) can be expressed as \(\int_\pi^{T} \frac{\partial R}{\partial x} d\theta + R(T)\frac{\partial T}{\partial x}\), questioning the conditions under which \(\partial R / \partial x\) is zero.
  • Another participant notes that \(\partial R / \partial x\) may sometimes be zero, indicating that the notation \(R(\theta)\) implies independence from \(x\), while \(R(\theta,x)\) would suggest dependence on \(x\).
  • A different participant clarifies that \(\theta\) is a dummy variable representing \(T = T(x,y)\), implying that \(R(\theta)\) can be viewed as \(R(\theta(x,y))\).
  • One participant elaborates on the nature of dummy variables in integrals, emphasizing that they do not depend on the endpoints and that Leibniz's rule separates the integral's dependence on the variable into contributions from the interior and the boundary.
  • Another participant poses a question about evaluating \(\partial \tau/\partial x\) at a specific point \(x=c\), seeking clarification on the notation \(R(T)|_{x=c}\).
  • A subsequent reply explains that \(R(T)=R(T(x,y))\) and illustrates how to evaluate \(R(T)\) at a specific point by substituting values from \(T\) into \(R\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which \(\partial R / \partial x\) is zero, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these conditions on the derivative of \(\tau\).

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the dependence of \(R\) on \(x\) and the interpretation of dummy variables in the context of Leibniz's integral rule. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities.

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Hi all. I am looking at the functions \tau(x,y), T(x,y), and R(T) related by

\tau(x,y) = \int_{\pi}^{T(x,y)} R(\theta) d\theta .

It seems that by Leibniz's integral rule

\frac{\partial \tau}{\partial x} = \int_\pi^{T} \frac{\partial R}{\partial x} d\theta + R(T)\frac{\partial T}{\partial x}.

It seems that \partial R / \partial x need not be zero, yet another resource tells me that

\frac{\partial \tau}{\partial x} = R(T)\frac{\partial T}{\partial x} .

Have I gone wrong somewhere? Thanks!
 
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Sometimes ∂R/∂x is zero, sometimes not. Here you have written R(θ) which is often a hint that ∂R/∂x is zero, otherwise one usually writes R(θ,x).
 
\theta is a dummy variable that stands for T = T(x,y), which I think means that R(\theta) = R(\theta(x,y)), correct?
 
$$\dfrac{d}{dt}\int^{\mathrm{b}(t)}_{\mathrm{a}(t)} \mathrm{f}(x,t) \, \mathrm{dx}=\int^{\mathrm{b}(t)}_{\mathrm{a}(t)} \dfrac{\partial \mathrm{f}}{\partial t} \, \mathrm{dx}+\mathrm{f}(\mathrm{b}(t),t) \mathrm{b} ^ \prime (t)-\mathrm{f}(\mathrm{a}(t),t) \mathrm{a} ^ \prime (t)$$

No the dummy variable takes all the values in a set like (pi,T), it does not depend on the end point. The other term gives the effect of the boundary. Leibniz's integral rule breaks the dependence of the integral on the variable into dependence on the the interior and the boundary. Usual examples are cars on a highway or water in a pipe or electricity in a wire.
 
So if we take it to be the case that

\frac{\partial \tau}{\partial x} = R(T)\frac{\partial T}{\partial x},

then what would be the value of \partial \tau/\partial x |_{x=c}?

\left.\frac{\partial \tau}{\partial x}\right|_{x=c} = R(T)|_{x=c} \cdot\left.\frac{\partial T}{\partial x}\right|_{x=c}

What is meant by R(T)|_{x=c}?
 
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What is meant by R(T)|_{x=c}?

R(T)=R(T(x,y))

Let's say you're given the point (a,b). Plug that point into T and it returns a number (call it c): T(a,b)=c. Then you plug this number into R to get R(T): R(T(a,b))=R(c)=d.

If you're only given x=a but y remains a variable, then T(a,y) is a function dependent only on the variable y. Thus R(T) is also a function dependent only on y. Plugging in a particular value of y will return a single number for R(T).
 

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