Derivative of trigonometric functions

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of trigonometric functions, specifically focusing on expressions involving products of sine and cosine functions, as well as the application of the chain rule in differentiation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the product of cosine and sine functions and question the validity of combining terms in their derivative results. There is also a focus on understanding when to differentiate constants versus functions of x, particularly in the context of applying the chain rule.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the differentiation process and the application of rules, while others are exploring different interpretations of the derivative results. There is an ongoing inquiry into the correct application of differentiation techniques without a clear consensus on all points raised.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of trigonometric derivatives and the rules of differentiation, including the treatment of constants and the use of the chain rule. There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the combination of terms in derivatives.

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Homework Statement



g(x) = 4∏ [cos(3∏x) sin (3∏x)]

The Attempt at a Solution



g(x) = 4∏ [cos(3∏x) sin (3∏x)]'

4∏{[cos (3∏x)][sin(3∏x)]' + [sin(3∏x)][cos(3∏x)]'} =

4∏{[cos (3∏x)][cos(3∏x) . (3∏)] + [sin(3∏x)][-sin(3∏x) . (3∏)] =

Now, my question is: Can I combine the numbers and have the answer as:

- 36∏ [cos2(3∏x) + sin2(3∏x)]

Thank you so much!
 
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domyy said:

Homework Statement



g(x) = 4∏ [cos(3∏x) sin (3∏x)]

The Attempt at a Solution



g(x) = 4∏ [cos(3∏x) sin (3∏x)]'

4∏{[cos (3∏x)][sin(3∏x)]' + [sin(3∏x)][cos(3∏x)]'} =

4∏{[cos (3∏x)][cos(3∏x) . (3∏)] + [sin(3∏x)][-sin(3∏x) . (3∏)] =

Now, my question is: Can I combine the numbers and have the answer as:

- 36∏ [cos2(3∏x) + sin2(3∏x)]

Thank you so much!

The -36 is certainly wrong and isn't it a difference between the cos^2 and sin^2 parts? Why would you think you can do that? Show how you combined. Use algebra.
 
Oh yes. I was thinking of transferring the negative sign from sin to 3∏.

How about this final answer:

-12∏ sin2(3∏x) + 12∏cos2(3∏x)
 
That's much better.
 
Thank you SO MUCH!
 
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Oh I have a question:

In the following problem

5 sin (8∏x)

They isolated the 5 to then find the derivative of sin (8∏x)

meaning they are not taking the derivative of 5, right? because taking its derivative would

result in zero.

Now, for the problem

cos (sec (5∏x))

I believe I am supposed to take the derivate of cos.

How do I know when I am supposed to take the derivative of these numbers?
 
domyy said:
Oh I have a question:

In the following problem

5 sin (8∏x)

They isolated the 5 to then find the derivative of sin (8∏x)

meaning they are not taking the derivative of 5, right? because taking its derivative would

result in zero.

Now, for the problem

cos (sec (5∏x))

I believe I am supposed to take the derivate of cos.

How do I know when I am supposed to take the derivative of these numbers?

You are probably overcomplicating this. Taking the the derivative of numbers is never a problem, the derivatives of them are zero. The real problem is with the parts that are functions of x. Your last problem needs to use the chain rule. Look it up if you don't know it.
 
domyy said:
Oh I have a question:

In the following problem

5 sin (8∏x)

They isolated the 5 to then find the derivative of sin (8∏x)

meaning they are not taking the derivative of 5, right? because taking its derivative would

result in zero.
One of the first things you should have learned in Calculus is that "the derivative of C times f(x) (C is a constant) is C times the derivative of f".

Now, for the problem

cos (sec (5∏x))

I believe I am supposed to take the derivate of cos.

How do I know when I am supposed to take the derivative of these numbers?
You don't "take the derivative of numbers" because, as you said before, the derivative of a constant (number) is 0. You differentiate the functions by using the "chain rule".
 

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