Derivatives of Trigonometric Functions

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the rate of change of the angle between a kite string and the horizontal as the kite moves horizontally while being held at a constant height. The subject area includes derivatives and trigonometric functions.

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  • Participants explore different methods for relating the angle to the horizontal distance and height, with some suggesting the use of trigonometric identities like sine and tangent. There are questions about the variables used and their definitions, particularly regarding the height and the horizontal distance.

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Some participants have provided guidance on interpreting the problem and suggested alternative approaches to find the rate of change of the angle. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify the definitions of variables involved, and some calculations have been shared, although no consensus has been reached on the final answer.

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There is a mention of the need to express the rate of angle change in radians per second rather than meters per second, highlighting a potential misunderstanding in units. Additionally, the original poster's assumptions about the variables have been questioned, indicating a need for clearer definitions.

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1.A kite 40 m above the ground moves horizontally at the rate of 3 m/s. At what rate is the angle between the string and the horizontal decreasing when 80 m of string has been let out. Answer is 0.02 m/s



2. What I did was:

-Drew a triangle as prescribed above
-I found the unknown length of the ground at that instaneous time.
-I found the derivative of the vertical height.
-Then I took derivative of sin theta which gave:
cos theta (d theta/t) = ry'-yr'(becomes 0 since the string is 80 m all the time) all divided by r^2
Then I divide by cos theta to get the derivative the angle.


Thanks very much
 
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I'm not sure why you have included y and y'. You are told "A kite 40 m above the ground moves horizontally" so y= 40 and y'= 0. (You didn't actually say that y represented the height above the ground (which you should have) but I assume that from the fact that you say sin(\theta)= y/r) and I assume (because, again, you didnt say that) that r is the hypotenuse, the length of the kites string. Since you are told "moves horizontally at the rate of 3 m/s", it might be better to use tan(\theta)= x/40, where x is the horizontal distance from directly over head. Then sec^2(\theta)(d\theta/dt)= x'/40= 3/40. Use the fact that, at the moment in question, r= 80 and y= 40 to determine both x and \theta at that moment.
 
LadiesMan said:
At what rate is the angle between the string and the horizontal decreasing when 80 m of string has been let out. Answer is 0.02 m/s

Incidentally, if the question is asking about the rate at which the angle is changing, the answer would have to be in radians/sec (or perhaps degrees/sec), rather than a linear velocity such as meters/sec.

[EDIT: Just finished working this out. The given answer is rounded-off to one significant figure, but would give 0.02 rad/sec. The "mathematically exact" answer is 3/160 rad/sec. Now you get to show why...]
 
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thanks :) that helped!
 

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