Desalination via Ice: Practical in Mountains Near Coasts?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of a desalination system utilizing ice in mountainous regions near coastal areas, specifically considering locations like the Atlas mountains and the Andes. Participants explore the mechanics of water transport, freezing processes, and energy requirements, while also comparing this method to alternative desalination techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a siphon system powered by solar energy to transport water up mountains, allowing it to freeze and separate fresh water from brine.
  • Another participant argues that the proposed method may be impractical and suggests that towing an iceberg or using conventional desalination methods like boiling seawater might be more efficient.
  • A participant acknowledges the energy requirements for establishing the siphon but notes that gravity and solar power would facilitate the process once established.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of siphon mechanics, particularly regarding atmospheric pressure and the maximum height a siphon can effectively operate.
  • Another participant emphasizes that siphons rely on pressure differences and that the effectiveness diminishes with elevation, likening the proposed system to a complex contraption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and efficiency of the proposed desalination method, with no consensus reached on its feasibility compared to other desalination techniques.

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Limitations include the assumptions about siphon mechanics, the energy requirements for pumping water, and the potential inefficiencies of the proposed system compared to established desalination methods.

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Would it work/be practical to build a desalination system in a place that has high mountains near coastal areas? In places like the Atlas mountains of Africa and the Andes in Chile which are near coasts & deserts yet high enough to be snowcapped it may be ideal. Water could be brought to the top of the mountain via a close valved siphon system relying partially on solar powered pumps to move water from sealed tank to sealed tank each incrementally higher up the mountain. Once above the snowline the water would be allowed to freeze over, separating fresh from brine. The ice would be mechanically removed and sent down the mountain via chutes. The separation tank would then be sealed and a valve opened allowing the brine to flow out into a closed system similar to that which raised the water up the mountain. The resulting vacuum would assist the solar powered inflow system.
 
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That's a lot of heavy lifting to do for a drink of water. It would probably be cheaper to tow an iceberg from Antarctica north.

With solar energy, you can boil seawater at sea level and condense the vapor into fresh water, or make electric energy to drive a flash distillation or reverse osmosis plant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination

Water is rather a heavy fluid, and the less pumping and lifting you do, the cheaper it will be.
 
Getting enough water pumped to complete the siphon effect would take some time and energy. Once the siphon was established however gravity and solar power would do all the work. After filling the tank one would close off the siphon valves & let the water freeze. Then the tank would have to be unsealed and the ice collected. Then comes the tricky part. The tanks would have to be resealed and enough air pumped out to maintain the siphon once the intake/outflow valves were reopened.
 
That is an interesting idea, but to work a siphon one needs gravity and another feature that you have neglected - atmospheric pressure. The atmospheric presure will only push a column of water up to a height of 30 feet (10m ). At the top of the column the pressure is zero so no more "sucking" effect of a siphon can be had.
the siphon effect as you describe will work with only mountains that are only 30 feet high. So back to pumping...
 

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