Designing Air Pressure Cannon to Calculate Velocity with Changing Acceleration

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The discussion revolves around the design of an air pressure cannon and the calculation of projectile velocity when acceleration is changing based on the distance covered. Participants explore various methods for calculating velocity in this context, including integration techniques and conservation of energy principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Dan describes the problem of calculating projectile velocity in an air pressure cannon where acceleration changes with distance, not time.
  • Zz suggests using the chain rule to relate acceleration, velocity, and displacement, proposing integration to find the change in velocity.
  • Dan expresses confusion about the integration process, noting that he arrives at an equation that seems incorrect.
  • Another participant proposes the use of conservation of energy as a potential method for solving the problem.
  • Dan questions the relationship between pressure and energy, seeking clarification on whether a specific energy calculation is correct.
  • Zz emphasizes the importance of considering limits in integration and encourages Dan to revisit his calculations with this in mind.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to calculate velocity, as there are multiple approaches discussed, and confusion remains regarding the integration process and the application of energy principles.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the integration limits and the specific functional form of acceleration as a function of position, which are critical to the calculations being discussed.

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I am designing an air pressure cannon, that relies on a tank of compressed air to drive a projectile through, and eventually out of, a tube. The initial acceleration (when the projectile is at the start of the tube) will be greater than the final acceleration (when the projectile has reached the outlet end of the tube). How can I calculate the velocity of the projectile, when the acceleration is changing? This is a problem where the acceleration changes, based on distance covered by the projctile, not based on change in time. Thanks!
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Use the chain rule.

Since

[tex]a = \frac{dv}{dt}[/tex]

You can apply the chan rule to write this as

[tex]a = \frac{dv}{dx} \frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]

Since dx/dt = v, this means that

[tex]a = v \frac{dv}{dx}[/tex]

If you integrate both sides with respect to x, you then get

[tex]\int{a dx} = \int{v dv}[/tex]

You should be able to find the change in v here with respect to the displacement.

Zz.
 
I tried that method, but I don't see how it works. The acceleration is changing, but when I integrate the last equation, I get ax = (v^2)/2. Did I do something wrong?
 
you might be able to use conservation of energy.
 
Dalau said:
I tried that method, but I don't see how it works. The acceleration is changing, but when I integrate the last equation, I get ax = (v^2)/2. Did I do something wrong?

Did you forget that your integration has a constant, or has limits? I didn't think I had to show that since this depends on the problem that you have. If I did that, I would have done the whole thing for you. All I had left for you was the last step in figuring out the limits to your problem. If you have an acceleration that is a function of position a(x), the way you had described it, then write down that expression in the left hand side, and do the integration!

You DID say that you had an acceleration that is a function of x, didn't you?

Zz.
 
billiards said:
you might be able to use conservation of energy.
Yeah. I wikied some stuff about air pressure, and found that:
1 pascal (Pa) ≡ 1 N·m−2 ≡ 1 J·m−3 ≡ 1 kg·m−1·s−2

so does this mean that it takes 1 joule to increase the pressure of one cubic meter by one pascal?




For an example problem I set up, I'm just wondering if my math is correct:
Tank of air with a tube sticking out of the tank. When the projectile is at the start of the tube, the pressure in the tank is Pinit, and when the projectile is at the outlet end of the tube, the pressure in the tank + tube is now Pfinal.
Is this part correct?:
(volume of tank)*(change in pascals) = (change in joules)
 
ZapperZ said:
Did you forget that your integration has a constant, or has limits? I didn't think I had to show that since this depends on the problem that you have. If I did that, I would have done the whole thing for you. All I had left for you was the last step in figuring out the limits to your problem. If you have an acceleration that is a function of position a(x), the way you had described it, then write down that expression in the left hand side, and do the integration!

You DID say that you had an acceleration that is a function of x, didn't you?

Zz.
oh. d'oh. I forgot about limits. I'll try it again
 

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