Explore Polarized Light: Tilted Polarizer Effects

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The discussion revolves around the effects of tilting polarizers on polarized light, exploring the outcomes when polarized and unpolarized light pass through tilted polaroids. Participants also delve into the mechanics of how polarizers function, including their structure and comparison to diffraction gratings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the effects of tilting a polaroid, wondering if light will still pass through and remain polarized, or if intensity will be affected.
  • Another participant notes that the specifics of light behavior through a tilted polarizer depend on the surface, suggesting that normal incidence is typically used in studies.
  • There is a discussion about the analogy of polarizers to narrow slits, with some arguing that a perfect polarizer would need infinitely thin slits, which would not allow any light to pass.
  • Participants clarify that the polarization component perpendicular to the slits passes through while the parallel component is blocked, and that polarizers can be made from various materials, not just Polaroid sheets.
  • Confusion arises regarding the construction of FIR polarizers and their action compared to microwave polarizers, with discussions on induced currents and the orientation of slots versus resulting polarization.
  • One participant expresses that the mechanisms of polarizers are more complex than commonly presented in textbooks, highlighting the differences in absorption and reflection processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the effects of tilting polarizers and the analogies used to describe their function. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on several points, particularly regarding the mechanics of polarization and the effectiveness of different types of polarizers.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding due to oversimplified textbook explanations and the complexity of the physics involved in polarization mechanisms.

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/t5lv4nlunn35ok8/phy1.PNG?dl=0
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I googled "polarizer film diagram" and "malu's law" and "polarizer physics" to obtain the pictures in this thread.
I understand we usually study polarised light phenomena by rotating polaroids.

I am curious about this : What would happen, or what would be the outcome/result if the first or second Polaroid in a setup shown in the above two images, is *tilted* forward or backwards? as in, the Polaroid is firm on it's base, just that it is *tilted* either forward or backwards. What would be the outcome when polarised light, and unpolarised light pass through the Polaroid?
Will light still pass through, or be polarised, through tilted Polaroid(s)?
Or is it just that Intensity will be affected, or Polarised light will not emerge straight, and rather at an angle?
Will light still be polarised the same way and angle as a untilted Polaroid(such as the base perpendicular to the table, untilted), just that less light is passed through?

Sorry I do not have a lab or the required gear to experiment this myself.Secondary question :
How does the cross section of a Polariser looks like; how does a Polariser polarise light?
Isn't light polarised by passing through tiny vertical slits? Why is light not polarised through the tiny slits of a diffraction grating?
Is a Polariser made up of many sheets of polaroids?

A very large and warm Thank-you to all that have replied
 
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Boomzxc said:
What would happen, or what would be the outcome/result if the first or second Polaroid in a setup shown in the above two images, is *tilted* forward or backwards? <snip>
Secondary question :
How does the cross section of a Polariser looks like; how does a Polariser polarise light?
Isn't light polarised by passing through tiny vertical slits? Why is light not polarised through the tiny slits of a diffraction grating?
Is a Polariser made up of many sheets of polaroids?

The answer to your first question is complicated, the specifics depend entirely on the surface (which is why normal incidence is used in class). For what it's worth, here's a comprehensive report on the subject:

https://repository.tudelft.nl/islan...92-4960-b0fe-5ccbc95da562?collection=research

(you want chapter 3).

As for the second question, that isn't a good analogy. If anything, the polarization component *perpendicular* to the slits passes through, while the polarization component parallel is blocked. To be sure, far-infrared polarizers are indeed parallel wires. However, polarizers can be constructed from a variety of materials, not just sheets of Polaroid: certain prism geometries separate orthogonal polarizations.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
As for the second question, that isn't a good analogy.
If a polariser consisted of narrow slits then a 'perfect' polariser would need to have infinitely thin slits - which would admit no light. In fact, the energy from an unpolarised source through a perfect polariser only drops by half.
 
sophiecentaur said:
If a polariser consisted of narrow slits then a 'perfect' polariser would need to have infinitely thin slits - which would admit no light. In fact, the energy from an unpolarised source through a perfect polariser only drops by half.

In the case of FIR polarizers, the wire width and spacing are subwavelength- not a big deal when the wavelength is 100 um.
 
Andy Resnick said:
In the case of FIR polarizers, the wire width and spacing are subwavelength- not a big deal when the wavelength is 100 um.
I am a tad confused here. A good microwave polariser can be made in a similar way with a grid of parallel wires (spaced by perhaps a tenth of a wavelength, IIRC). In that case, currents that are induced in the wires that will reflect the wave components that are parallel with the wires and the spaces in between the wires have no induced currents so the wave component passes through. So the transmitted polarisation is normal to the direction of the slots. Is the action of a FIR polariser different from that?
 
sophiecentaur said:
Is the action of a FIR polariser different from that?

nope- exactly the same. Did I say otherwise?
 
Andy Resnick said:
nope- exactly the same. Did I say otherwise?
No you didn't say otherwise. It's just that the 'slots' are not in the same orientation as the resulting polarisation. That could be regarded as counter-intuitive and certainly doesn't tie in with the over simplified explanations that we see in textbooks. Also, I thought polaroids worked on absorption of the other polarisation and that is not how an RF polariser works.
It is all more complicated that at first sight and what pictures of waves on ropes and slots in metal sheets would imply.
 

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