Determine the state |n> given results and probabilities [QM]

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The discussion revolves around determining the quantum state |\psi\rangle of a spin-\frac{1}{2} system based on measurement results and their associated probabilities from three separate experiments. The measurements involve the spin components S_z, S_x, and S_y, with specific probabilities provided for each outcome.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the given probabilities on the state |\psi\rangle, questioning how to express the state in different bases and whether phase differences affect the coefficients of the state. There is also discussion about the need to find the eigenstates in the S_z basis.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights regarding the phase of the coefficients in the state representation, while others have expressed a desire for direction without seeking a complete solution. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify concepts and explore various interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of reconciling the different measurement outcomes and their probabilities, as well as the potential need to account for phase differences in the coefficients of the state. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in transitioning between different spin bases.

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Homework Statement


In a spin-\frac{1}{2} system all particles are in the state |\psi\rangle. 3 experiments performed and are separate, the results are as follows:

Particle in state |\psi\rangle, measured S_z = \frac{\hbar}{2}, with P=1/4
Particle in state |\psi\rangle, measured S_x = \frac{\hbar}{2}, with P=7/8
Particle in state |\psi\rangle, measured S_y = \frac{\hbar}{2}, with P=\frac{4+\sqrt{3}}{8}

Determine |\psi\rangle in the S_z basis.

Homework Equations


S_z = \frac{\hbar}{2}\left[\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & -1\end{array}\right], S_x = \frac{\hbar}{2}\left[\begin{array}{cc} 0 & 1 \\ 1 & 0\end{array}\right], S_y = \frac{\hbar}{2}\left[\begin{array}{cc} 0 & -i \\ i & 0\end{array}\right]
S = S_x \hat{i} + S_y \hat{j} + S_z \hat{k}

where S_z = \frac{\hbar}{2}\sigma_z

\sigma = \sigma_x \hat{i} + \sigma_y \hat{j} + \sigma_z \hat{k}

The Attempt at a Solution


So, if we are given P_z = 1/4, I would think this implies that
|\psi\rangle = \frac{1}{2}|+z\rangle + \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}|-z\rangle\qquad \blacksquare
but I don't think this is correct or the whole thing, as I think that |\psi\rangle must satisfy all basis. Also I am not sure that S_x, S_y results are in their |+x\rangle, |+y\rangle respectively, such that the S_x measurement is
|\psi\rangle = \sqrt{\frac{7}{8}}|+x\rangle + \sqrt{\frac{1}{8}}|-x\rangle
or are written as |\pm x\rangle, |\pm y\rangle in the S_z basis

Do I need determine the |\pm x\rangle, |\pm y\rangle states in the S_z basis of the one mentioned earlier?

Should I try to find the eigenstate such that in 3-D Euclidean space
\frac{\hbar}{2}\left[\sigma_x \cos\phi + \sigma_y \sin\phi\right]\left[\begin{array}{c} \langle +z|\mu\rangle \\ \langle -z|\mu\rangle\end{array}\right] = \mu\frac{\hbar}{2}\left[\begin{array}{c} \langle +z|\mu\rangle \\ \langle -z|\mu\rangle\end{array}\right]

I don't want the answer only some direction as to how to proceed, as I am lost.
 
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roguetechx86 said:
So, if we are given P_z = 1/4, I would think this implies that
|\psi\rangle = \frac{1}{2}|+z\rangle + \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}|-z\rangle\qquad \blacksquare.
You need to allow for possible phase differences in the different components. You can adjust the overall phase of the wavefunction so that the coefficient of ##|+z\rangle## is real and equal to 1/2, but you can't assume that the phase of the ##|-z\rangle## coefficient is simultaneously real.
 
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Thanks, feels good to join!

That clue, was extremely helpful, such that
|\psi \rangle = \exp(i \phi_+)\left(\frac{1}{2}|+z \rangle + \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\exp(i\phi) |+z \rangle \right)
where \phi = \phi_- - \phi_+. If ignoring the overall phase and rewriting the probabilities of
|\langle +x | \psi \rangle |^2 \to S_z basis
|\langle +y | \psi \rangle |^2 \to S_z basis
you can solve \phi = \frac{\pi}{6}.

I didn't write the complete solution online because going through the motions really helped understanding the problem!
 
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Looks good!
 

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