Determing the mass percent of chloride from a mixture of NaCl and KCl salts

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a lab experiment aimed at determining the mass percent of chloride in a mixture of NaCl and KCl using volumetric titration and gravimetric analysis. Participants explore discrepancies in the results obtained from different methods and seek clarification on the calculations involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • The original calculation for chloride mass based on Fajans' method resulted in an implausible mass percent of 461%, leading to confusion about the experimental setup.
  • The participant initially misstated the mass of the mixture as 0.1083 grams, which was later corrected to 1.0083 grams, suggesting that the initial mass was a critical factor in the calculations.
  • Another participant noted that the low initial mass would imply a very small volume of titrant used, which seemed unreasonable.
  • The gravimetric analysis yielded a mass percent of chloride at 58.3%, which the participant considered realistic compared to the erroneous titration results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the initial mass of the mixture was incorrectly stated, which impacted the calculations. However, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the discrepancies between the different methods and the accuracy of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants did not resolve the underlying issues related to the experimental methods or the calculations, leaving open questions about the accuracy and reliability of the results obtained from both titration and gravimetric analysis.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and researchers engaged in analytical chemistry, particularly those interested in volumetric and gravimetric methods for determining composition in mixtures.

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Hi guys,

I am doing a lab experiment which involves analysis of a sample of a mixture of NaCl and KCl. I'm using volumetric titration ( Mohrs and Fajans methods) as well a Gravimetric analysis technique. The underlying idea is determine the mass percent of chloride in the same sample using different techniques to see which one is better. The mass percent of the sample, regardless of the method employed, should be similar but the results I found are extremely off. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong.

For example:

For Fajan's method:

Trial 1: 14.31 mL of silver nitrate were needed to reach equivalence point. So I determine the mass(%) chloride in the following way:

14.31 mL/ 1000 x 0.1 M Silver Nitrate = 0.00143 moles of Silver Nitrate

1:1 ratio so the moles of chloride must be equal to the moles of Ag.

moles(chloride)=0.00143 moles x 35.453 g/mol = 0.050 grams?

how is that possible, though? the initial mass of the mixture was 0.1083 grams which was used to make a 250 mL solution. I then did three trials of titration using 25 mL aliquots..each 25mL aliquot should contain 0.01083 grams of mixture...how is it that the mass of just chloride alone is more than mass of the entire mixture. (0.050/0.01083) x 100 = 461% mass. this is obviously wrong. i don't get it :S

In addition, from the gravimetric analysis procedure, I got a mass percent chloride of 58.3. That seems realistic, and I think Fajan and Mohr mass percent should be in that range..not 461% lol. Can anybody help? Thanks!
 
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waqaszeb said:
the initial mass of the mixture was 0.1083 grams

Really that low? If I am not mistaken that would mean you were aiming at using less than 2 mL of the titrant, doesn't make any sense to me.
 
Sorry, you're right. Its not 0.1083 but 1.0083 grams
 
That puts your results in the same ballpark, doesn't it?
 
Yes it does, thank you for pointing this out! wow..one whole day wasted on trying to figure out why i was so dumb..
 
waqaszeb said:
one whole day wasted on trying to figure out why i was so dumb..

Welcome to the club :wink:
 

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