Determining Basis and Coordinates in Two-Dimensional Space

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a given set of vectors forms a basis for two-dimensional space and finding the coordinates of a specific vector relative to that basis. The vectors in question are V1 = (1, 2) and V2 = (3, 5), with the target vector V = (8, 7).

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  • Participants explore the concept of collinearity and linear independence of the vectors to determine if they form a basis. There is also discussion about what it means to find the coordinates of a vector relative to a basis, leading to the formulation of a system of equations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on solving the system of equations derived from expressing the vector V in terms of the basis vectors. There is acknowledgment of errors in calculations, and a participant indicates they have resolved their confusion after further discussion.

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Question: Determine whether the following sets of vectors form bases for two-dimensional space. If a set forms a basis, determine the coordinates of V = (8, 7) relative to this base.

a) V1 = (1, 2), V2 = (3, 5).


On the first part of the question, I'm a little foggy on how I go about doing it.. I think I have to figure out if they're collinear right? And if they're not, then they can be used to define any other vector in two-dimensional space... is that right?

And so, if that's the case (I believe that they are not collinear), then how do I determine the coordinates of V = (8, 7)? Is it simply a matter of determining the end point of V relative to the base of V1, and V2 with the tails together?
 
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In this case the problem is indeed whether or not they are collinear, but more generally the problem is to figure out whether they are independent. As for finding the coordinates of V relative to that basis, what do coordinates mean? The coordinates are two numbers a and b such that

V=aV1+bV2

But if you write this out, it is just a system of two equations in two unknowns, which you should be able to solve.
 
DeadWolfe said:
In this case the problem is indeed whether or not they are collinear, but more generally the problem is to figure out whether they are independent. As for finding the coordinates of V relative to that basis, what do coordinates mean? The coordinates are two numbers a and b such that

V=aV1+bV2

But if you write this out, it is just a system of two equations in two unknowns, which you should be able to solve.

Thank you. Given what you said, this is what I did:

V = aV1 + bV2
(8, 7) = a(1, 2) + b(3, 5)

Therefore:
8 = a + 3b
7 = 2a + 5b

After solving: a = -(19 / 5), and b = -(38 / 25).

The answer in the book simply says "Yes. (-19, 9)" Can anyone tell me what I'm missing, what I've done wrong here (maybe I just solved a, and b wrong...)?
 
You solved the system wrong. Try substituting a = 8 - 3b into the second equation.
 
Vid said:
You solved the system wrong. Try substituting a = 8 - 3b into the second equation.

:redface: Thanks. The first time I tried substituting b = (7-2(-19/5))/5 into a = 8 - 3b... I just screwed up the fractions. It's all good now though. Thanks everyone :smile:
 

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