Determining h parmaters of bjt practically

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The discussion revolves around the practical determination of h-parameters for bipolar junction transistors (BJTs), focusing on small-signal analysis and amplifier design. Participants express confusion regarding the application of theoretical concepts to practical scenarios, particularly in setting specific parameters to zero.

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  • One participant questions how to set v2 to zero in practice, particularly in common emitter configuration, and expresses confusion about shorting the collector and emitter terminals.
  • Another participant clarifies that setting v2 to zero means using a large capacitor to short the collector AC voltage to ground, which is a common practice in small-signal analysis.
  • A participant raises concerns about the implications of setting i1 to zero for h12, suggesting that this leads to contradictions regarding collector current.
  • It is mentioned that using an inductor at the base can allow for biasing current while presenting a high impedance for AC signals, which is relevant for determining h-re.
  • Some participants note that h-parameters are primarily used in academic settings and may not be practical for real-world amplifier design.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the practical application of h-parameters, with some clarifying concepts while others remain confused about specific implementations. No consensus is reached on the best approach to determine h-parameters practically.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the theoretical versus practical applications of h-parameters, particularly regarding the use of capacitors and inductors in setting specific parameters to zero.

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so i know that h11 is defined as v1/i1 when v2=0 and so on...but the thing is how do i do it practically...my professor told me that v1,i1,v2,i2 in h parameter equations are instantaneous values of current and voltage of ac in a bjt. he even wrote that to get h11, you have to set v2 of ac=0. but since, the lecture was a recorded one, i cudnt get it cleared.i have the following doubts-
1) how can v2 of ac be set to zero...if at all, say in ce config, i short the c and e terminals that is replace load resistance by a short circuit, how is it practically possible...
2) for h12, i will have to set i1=0 ie. in ce config, i will have to set i base as zero. which means i collector=0. which means that i2=0 which means h12 is infinity. not possible!
3) he told me to set v2=0, we use a capacitor... and for i1=0 we use an inductor at the base side...didnt get it.
4)on further reading on the net, i read that ib is kept constant so that i1 becomes zero..

i am all confused.pls help me asap
 
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h-parameter are only used for small-signal analysis and designing a amplifier circuits. And don't forget that all h parameters are AC parameter.
So 0V means 0V ac voltage at given point. v2 = 0 V means that the collector AC voltage is 0V (Collector is short via large capacitor to ground).
Capacitor is a short for AC signal and coil is a open circuit for AC.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/658138.pdf
But don't worry too much, in real world we don't use h-parameters to design an amplifier. Only EE students are forced by their mad professors to use it.
 
Jony has explained it well.

1) shorting collector to ground using an appropriately large capacitor will set vce ≈[/size] 0, for determining hie.

2) an appropriate inductor (RFC) is series with the base will still allow biasing current, but present an AC impedance →∞ [/size]. You then couple a signal generator to the collector and measure what fraction of its voltage appears at the base, for determining hre. Yes, you can apply input to the terminal you normally think of as output. Just keep the signal voltage low and Q1 won't be offended. ;)
 
thank you people...nascentoxygen JONY[]...helped me a lot...
 

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