Determining if certain sets are vector spaces

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the set of all pairs of real numbers of the form (1,x) constitutes a vector space, given specific operations for addition and scalar multiplication.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to verify the axioms of a vector space, particularly questioning the nature of the additive identity and its relation to the zero vector.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the original poster's understanding and clarify the role of (1,0) as the additive identity. Others provide corrections regarding the additive inverse, suggesting a more precise wording for the explanation.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the definitions and properties of vector spaces, with participants noting potential confusion arising from the operations defined for the set.

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Homework Statement



The set of all pairs of real numbers of the form (1,x) with the operations:
(1,x)+(1,y)=(1,x+y) and k(1,x)=(1,kx) k being a scalar

Is this a vector space?

Homework Equations


(1,x)+(1,y)=(1,x+y) and k(1,x)=(1,kx)

The Attempt at a Solution


I verified most of the axioms hold, but I'm unsure about the additive identity.
Can it be something other than the zero vector?
My attempt, "O" being the additive identity
O=(1,0)
A+O=(1,x)+(1,0)=(1,x)
This means the additive inverse must equal (1,0)
A+(-A)=(1,x)+(-1,-x)=(1,x+(-x))=(1,0)
If this isn't right, then I know it doesn't hold. I'm just a little confused. Thanks for any help
 
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That's all correct. You understand this very well. They defined the operations in a way that was maybe intended to confuse you. But you weren't confused. (1,0) is the 'zero' vector.
 
If A=(1,x) then -A is (1,-x) not (-1,-x). Otherwise it looks like you've got it. You can imagine just chopping off the 1 here and describing the element (1,x) by just the number x. Then what you really have is just the standard real numbers
 
Office_Shredder said:
If A=(1,x) then -A is (1,-x) not (-1,-x). Otherwise it looks like you've got it. You can imagine just chopping off the 1 here and describing the element (1,x) by just the number x. Then what you really have is just the standard real numbers

Ooops. Missed that. Thanks for being careful.
 
csc2iffy said:

Homework Statement



The set of all pairs of real numbers of the form (1,x) with the operations:
(1,x)+(1,y)=(1,x+y) and k(1,x)=(1,kx) k being a scalar

Is this a vector space?


Homework Equations


(1,x)+(1,y)=(1,x+y) and k(1,x)=(1,kx)


The Attempt at a Solution


I verified most of the axioms hold, but I'm unsure about the additive identity.
Can it be something other than the zero vector?
My attempt, "O" being the additive identity
O=(1,0)
A+O=(1,x)+(1,0)=(1,x)
This means the additive inverse must equal (1,0)
A+(-A)=(1,x)+(-1,-x)=(1,x+(-x))=(1,0)
If this isn't right, then I know it doesn't hold. I'm just a little confused. Thanks for any help
Sort of OK. Besides the correction above, the wording needs a little work.

The sentence "This means the additive inverse must equal (1,0) ." should be changed to something like: "This means when the additive inverse of any number pair is added to that number pair, the result is (1,0)."
 
Thank you all for the very quick responses! That makes me feel so much better... I have a final coming up on this :)
 

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