Did I set up my integral correctly?

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The discussion revolves around setting up a triple integral to find the volume of a solid in the first octant, bounded above by the plane defined by the equation x + 2y + 3z = 6 and laterally by the cylinder x² + y² = 4. Participants are examining the correct limits of integration for the variables involved.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral, particularly the limits for z. There is a concern about whether the lower bound for z should be zero, and some participants explore the implications of using z = x² + y² - 4, questioning its relevance to the problem.

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Some participants express confidence in the setup of the integral, while others question the appropriateness of certain assumptions regarding the bounds for z. There is a recognition that the equation for the cylinder does not dictate the z-value, leading to a clarification of the correct approach.

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The discussion is constrained by the requirement to remain within the first octant, which influences the bounds of integration. Participants are also navigating the implications of the geometric relationships between the cylinder and the plane.

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Homework Statement


use triple integral to find volume of the solid in the first octant that is bounded above byx+2y+3z=6 and laterally by the clyinder x^2+y^2=4

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


From the given plane I got:
Z=2-\frac{1} {3}x-\frac{2} {3}y
from the given Cylinder i got:
y=\sqrt{4-x^2}

since its only interested in the first octant, lower bounds should all be zero.

so I get \int_{x=0}^2\int_{y=0}^\sqrt{4-x^2} \int_{z=0}^{2-\frac{1} {3}x-\frac{2} {3}y} \,dz \, dy \, dx

my concern is with Z's lower bound, I think it should be 0 as well, but if using z=x^2+y^2-4 seems like also okay, but being this way, this cylinder became a different solid, it became an infinite paraboloid. so that means I can't just set z=x^2+y^2-4 ? because the Z value of an infinite cylinder does not depend on x or y?
 
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qq545282501 said:

Homework Statement


use triple integral to find volume of the solid in the first octant that is bounded above byx+2y+3z=6 and laterally by the clyinder x^2+y^2=4

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


From the given plane I got:
Z=2-\frac{1} {3}x-\frac{2} {3}y
from the given Cylinder i got:
y=\sqrt{4-x^2}

since its only interested in the first octant, lower bounds should all be zero.

so I get \int_{x=0}^2\int_{y=0}^\sqrt{4-x^2} \int_{z=0}^{2-\frac{1} {3}x-\frac{2} {3}y} \,dz \, dy \, dx
Looks fine to me.
qq545282501 said:
my concern is with Z's lower bound, I think it should be 0 as well
Yes. You're in the first octant, where ##x \ge 0, y \ge 0##, and ##z \ge 0##.
qq545282501 said:
, but if using z=x^2+y^2-4 seems like also okay
No, it's not. The equation of the cylinder is ##x^2 + y^2 = 4##. z is completely arbitrary, so you can't just stick it in the equation.
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, but being this way, this cylinder became a different solid, it became an infinite paraboloid. so that means I can't just set z=x^2+y^2-4 ? because the Z value of an infinite cylinder does not depend on x or y?
 
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qq545282501 said:

Homework Statement


use triple integral to find volume of the solid in the first octant that is bounded above byx+2y+3z=6 and laterally by the clyinder x^2+y^2=4

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


From the given plane I got:
Z=2-\frac{1} {3}x-\frac{2} {3}y
from the given Cylinder i got:
y=\sqrt{4-x^2}

since its only interested in the first octant, lower bounds should all be zero.

so I get \int_{x=0}^2\int_{y=0}^\sqrt{4-x^2} \int_{z=0}^{2-\frac{1} {3}x-\frac{2} {3}y} \,dz \, dy \, dx

my concern is with Z's lower bound, I think it should be 0 as well, but if using z=x^2+y^2-4 seems like also okay, but being this way, this cylinder became a different solid, it became an infinite paraboloid. so that means I can't just set z=x^2+y^2-4 ? because the Z value of an infinite cylinder does not depend on x or y?

The "equation" ##z = x^2+y^2-4## has no connection to the problem, because the lowest point on the plane and the curve ##x^2+y^2=4## has positive ##z##. Therefore, the lowest value of ##z## is ##z = 0## and the top face of the cylinder does not come down that far. In short, you setup is correct.

BTW: thanks for using a typed version, which in this case is do-able because no diagrams are needed.
 
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got it. thank you all.
 

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